Ahsoka Tano vs Shaak Ti

Originally posted by Beniboybling
VADER COMPLETED HIS MEDITATION and opened his eyes. His pale, flame-savaged face stared back at him from out of the reflective black surface of his pressurized meditation chamber. Without the neural connection to his armor, he was conscious of the stumps of his legs, the ruin of his arm, the perpetual pain in his flesh. He welcomed it. Pain fed his hate, and hate fed his strength. Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Now he meditated to sharpen the edges of his anger.

He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it a ruin, but they'd perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight.Oh, you're referring to that. But no, we don't know that. The temple explodes like 10 seconds after they start fighting, a blast that could easily have killed her.

She certainly wasn't one shotted, as we see Ahsoka holding Vader off as the temple collapses.Tired is the wrong word, I mean exhausted. I'm inclined to believe that Vader is more formidable an opponent than even dozens of maganguards, he certainly would have destroyed them with little difficulty. But Shaak Ti fought somewhat longer.

But lets not ignore the Battle of Hypori, that left Shaak Ti exhausted as well.

My belief is Ahsoka has more stamina that Shaak Ti. And I'm inclined to give her a small skill advantage considering she's fighting evenly with Maul.

... You win this round.

Yeah. We were talking about Shaak being defeated by Grievous after her fight with the magnaguards and then Ahsoka's performance against Vader after she was BFR'ed.

Fair enough. Shaak was in a worse state then Ahsoka after her fight with the magnaguards then Ahsoka was after her fight with Vader.

We don't know long Shaak was fighting for on Hypori before that point though. Honestly given all the events Shaak wen through leading up to that point I just don't know if I believe that to be the case. If there is a stamina advantage either way I can't imagine it being large enough to have an impact on the fight.

In regards to skill I'd disagree. Pressuring Marek by Felucia is better then matching an atrophied Maul. Holding her own against Vader is a better skill feat imo and is more comparable to Shaak's. Granted there were circumstances that allowed Shaak to accomplish this.

Originally posted by Syndicate
... You win this round.

Yeah. We were talking about Shaak being defeated by Grievous after her fight with the magnaguards and then Ahsoka's performance against Vader after she was BFR'ed.

Fair enough. Shaak was in a worse state then Ahsoka after her fight with the magnaguards then Ahsoka was after her fight with Vader.

We don't know long Shaak was fighting for on Hypori before that point though. Honestly given all the events Shaak wen through leading up to that point I just don't know if I believe that to be the case. If there is a stamina advantage either way I can't imagine it being large enough to have an impact on the fight.

In regards to skill I'd disagree. Pressuring Marek by Felucia is better then matching an atrophied Maul. Holding her own against Vader is a better skill feat imo and is more comparable to Shaak's. Granted there were circumstances that allowed Shaak to accomplish this.

Nor does Ti really have any comparable showings besides that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Fighting Rebels Maul shouldn't really count as a good thing after that Kanan stomp.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
🙂Precisely.Perhaps, but in a close contest the smallest of margins could make a considerable difference.Maul wasn't atrophied to any significant degree my friend, and while Shaak Ti's performance was impressive, accounting for the effect the nexus would have had on both of them, it hardly seems outside Ahsoka's paygrade.

Nor does Ti really have any comparable showings besides that.

*Shrug* I'll have to think about which feat I find more impressive from a stamina standpoint. I'll rewatch both fights and get back to you.

He was described as frail by a cast member... He's decades older. Come on Beni.

Well to be fair Ahsoka doesn't really have anything comparable aside from her fight with Vader. 😛 I don't think we should be questioning the quantity of their feats at this point.

Essentially in regards to skill it's between pressing Marek on a LS nexus Shaak helped to create vs holding your own against canon Vader. I think they're relatively similar feats tbh.

He's described as past his prime, not frail to my knowledge. And he's only 50 years old and physically in excellent shape. Frankly to a being who can enhance their physical abilities with the Force, age isn't that big a factor, Dooku is eighty for example.

It's reasonable to assume his physical abilities atrophied a little, but not to such a considerable extent that he's beneath the likes of Shaak Ti, and he's certainly better than TPM Maul.

And Marek is not yet at his prime and his powers were stifled by the nexus. In that condition I'm not convinced he's a better opponent than Maul.

He is described as frail iirc. Witwer maybe.

Yep. He says it in Rebels recon. But I don't think that necessarily means he is weaker. After all, two of the most powerful characters (Yoda and Sidious) are both very frail.

YouTube video

Trouble is, I don't think Maul improved in the Force to compensate for his physical weakness.

Its fair to say that he's inferior to TCW Maul. But Rebels Maul should still be significantly more powerful than TPM Maul, so he can easily compensate in that regard.

And visually he appears physically fit, so "frail" doesn't seem particularly applicable.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
But Rebels Maul should still be significantly more powerful than TPM Maul,

Eh. Why? Significantly seems like an exaggeration. I don't even think SoD Maul was "significantly" greater than TPM.

TPM Maul choked out a muggle, pushed Kenobi, shattered a door and threw a boulder.

TCW Maul Force choked Kenobi, KO'ed him with a push, blew away scores of soldiers, brought down a tunnel and manipulated a shuttle.

I'd say significantly greater power is accurate. By TPM he's around Ventress level, by TCW he's approaching Count Dooku. And I see no reason to believe his Force abilities atrophied by Rebels.

Why is this still going on?

Ti is an expert duellist who has blended Forms II and IV to create a hybrid that's excellent for duelling.

Tano's personal style has numerous flaws, especially when it comes to duelling.

So Ti wins. Simple as that.

Can you give us an in depth analysis on why Ahsoka's reverse blade Ataru will fail against Shaak Ti's graceful

Originally posted by carthage
Can you give us an in depth analysis on why Ahsoka's reverse blade Ataru will fail against Shaak Ti's graceful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7HGH4tsnyE&index=12&list=LL28h5yZWghLVUh7z8DHRZtg

The relevant part is 5:15 to 15:58.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7HGH4tsnyE&index=12&list=LL28h5yZWghLVUh7z8DHRZtg

The relevant part is 5:15 to 15:58.

Reti pointed out the disadvantages of the reverse grip, which is likely why the grip isn't commonly used and why Anakin discouraged it, but it also has some advantages when paired with the proper fighting styles, and given how well Ahsoka's style works with the reverse grip, it's really more of an extremely well calculated tradeoff that works with her style than a crippling detriment.

Reti arguing the weight of the blades or intertia or wrist or whatever doesn't prove the reverse grip is an absolute detriment, particularly when lightsaber blades have no weight and function gyroscopically, and when Force users have force augmentation that they could use to reenforce their wrist strength and commit their moves to muscle memory.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He's described as past his prime, not frail to my knowledge. And he's only 50 years old and physically in excellent shape. Frankly to a being who can enhance their physical abilities with the Force, age isn't that big a factor, Dooku is eighty for example.

It's reasonable to assume his physical abilities atrophied a little, but not to such a considerable extent that he's beneath the likes of Shaak Ti, and he's certainly better than TPM Maul.

And Marek is not yet at his prime and his powers were stifled by the nexus. In that condition I'm not convinced he's a better opponent than Maul.

Apparently Sam Witwer said frail. It does effect a force user in the sense that they have to draw more heavily on the Force to compensate.

Why not? Shaak Ti by TFU is already comparable if not SoD Maul's equal.

Atrophied Maul or prime Maul?

Originally posted by Syndicate
Apparently Sam Witwer said frail. It does effect a force user in the sense that they have to draw more heavily on the Force to compensate.

But again, he is visibly in excellent shape and he is only fifty years old. Even at age eighty Dooku's age is stated to not detriment him in the slightest.

In that respect I see no reason to believe they had atrophied to any considerable degree, certainly not enough to put him beneath TPM Maul when he should remain considerably more powerful in the Force. If you disagree, prove it.

Why not? Shaak Ti by TFU is already comparable if not SoD Maul's equal.

Atrophied Maul or prime Maul?

"There's truth in Maul being frail. So no, he's not frail."

This guy. XD

😬

You understand English?

Witwer says there is some truth (nice edit there) in Maul being frail, ergo it is not entirely true.

"When he's fooling Ezra, when he's pretending to be this old, frail man, part of that has got to be the truth, about his frailty about what his intentions are towards Ezra, all those things."

Comprende? 🙂

"When he's fooling Ezra, when he's pretending to be this old, frail man, part of that has got to be the truth, about his frailty about what his intentions are towards Ezra, all those things."