Originally posted by FreshestSliceI'm not even arguing Ahsoka and Vader are on equal footing in the Force (though given their fight I see no evidence Vader was so much stronger in the Force than Ahsoka that he could ever use the Force in a domineering way) rather that she's close enough that she can stand with extremely powerful Force users and is actually powerful enough in her own right to bring her own telekinesis to bare.
What telekinetic edge, kek? Landing TK, still, doesn't make you on a similar power level with the person you TK'd.
Kenobi couldn't replicate Ahsoka's TK feat and he's repeatedly shown to be vulnerable to higher tier Force users like Maul and Dooku, who Ahsoka should be hovering around.
Originally posted by ares834
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Originally posted by |King Joker|
I'm not even arguing Ahsoka and Vader are on equal footing in the Force (though given their fight I see no evidence Vader was so much stronger in the Force than Ahsoka that he could ever use the Force in a domineering way) rather that she's close enough that she can stand with extremely powerful Force users and is actually powerful enough in her own right to bring her own telekinesis to bare.Kenobi couldn't replicate Ahsoka's TK feat and he's repeatedly shown to be vulnerable to higher tier Force users like Maul and Dooku, who Ahsoka should be hovering around.
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Still, I'm not sure about the outcome of this fight.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
I'm not even arguing Ahsoka and Vader are on equal footing in the Force (though given their fight I see no evidence Vader was so much stronger in the Force than Ahsoka that he could ever use the Force in a domineering way) rather that she's close enough that she can stand with extremely powerful Force users and is actually powerful enough in her own right to bring her own telekinesis to bare.
Barely pushing back someone with the force does not suggest anything resembling parity in the Force.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Kenobi couldn't replicate Ahsoka's TK feat and he's repeatedly shown to be vulnerable to higher tier Force users like Maul and Dooku, who Ahsoka should be hovering around.
Kenobi arguably has a superior TK feat when he matched Anakin’s force push in RotS…
Originally posted by ares834I just said I don't think they're necessarily equal, but all you guys are saying is "It doesn't mean shit!" without actually saying why it doesn't mean shit. I've explained several times why Ahsoka's TK feat means she's closer to him than you think and not completely outmatched in a Force contest. And lol, she pushed him back a good distance, I don't even think Vader pushed her farther than she did him.
Barely pushing back someone with the force does not suggest anything resembling parity in the Force.Kenobi arguably has a superior TK feat when he matched Anakin’s force push in RotS…
Are we just going to pretend Anakin wasn't on the verge of a mental breakdown when he fought Kenobi, and that the Vader Ahsoka fought was much more powerful?
Vader is more powerful. But Kenobi actually matched Anakin in a contest.
As for why it doesn’t mean shit, it’s because we see it time and again. Like has been mentioned before Maul got tagged by Kenobi despite the former having what appears to be a large advantage. Heck, Barriss knocks Anakin back with TK despite being vastly inferior with the force as is apparent at the end when he easily ragdolls her.
Obi-Wan high difficulty.
Throughout the duel, it was made very clear that Ahsoka (who did well by the way and has certainly cemented her status as being above Darth Maul) was Vader's inferior. People like to boast about the the force push around the beginning, but that's pretty standard as far as Rebels duels go. Honestly, the writer's appear to have a TK fetish, since that's the way almost every duel ends (the duelist fight for a bit and once one duelist has the upper hand, they randomly TK the other guy off a cliff or into a wall). Vader got pushed back, but he also got pushed back by Kanan and Ezra, so again, not really something to jump up and down about.
Another thing: Vader willfully turned his back on her. He didn't bother finishing her off when he very well could have. He lowered his guard, more interested in retrieving the holocron. Bottom line: The only reason she even managed to graze his helmet was because he didn't take her seriously. Had this been a duel without any outside interference, Vader would've finished her off early on.
I also suspect Vader held back throughout the entire duel, but this is purely speculation based on what I speculate to be the place the plot is headed, so I'll reserve this opinion to myself for now.
Originally posted by ares834I don't see why Ahsoka couldn't accomplish it seeing as she pushed back a far more powerful Vader a good distance. They are sort of difficult to compare though, but I stand by my statement that Kenobi couldn't replicate Ahsoka's feat.
Vader is more powerful. But Kenobi actually matched Anakin in a contest.As for why it doesn’t mean shit, it’s because we see it time and again. Like has been mentioned before Maul got tagged by Kenobi despite the former having what appears to be a large advantage. Heck, Barriss knocks Anakin back with TK despite being vastly inferior with the force as is apparent at the end when he easily ragdolls her.
How does Maul appear to have a large advantage against Kenobi as of Season 4? Kenobi pushed him from behind and Maul didn't go nearly as far. Ahsoka's TK was more than just a little nudge like Barriss' and Kenobi's that tripped Vader up or made him fall back a foot, lol. If Kenobi and Barriss were shoving Maul and Anakin 10 feet straight up and then getting ragdolled later on, that'd prove your point that Ahsoka's TK means jack, but Ahsoka legitimately Force pushed Vader a good distance and in the fight Vader failed to prove he held a large Force advantage against Ahsoka like Maul and Anakin did against Kenobi and Barriss. Just accept that Vader doesn't shit on Ahsoka in every area like you want him to. erm