Originally posted by SelenialSo being pushed against a pillar = blown back over at least a dozen meters.
Irrelevant, she had an impact as much as Ahsoka did.Hell, Anakin needed that fight over with to save Ahsoka's life, far more pressing of an issue I'd say. Still no force application until the end of the fight.
Accounting for the fact that Vader is carrying an extra 40 kg or so. Right.
And Force grip is a forbidden dark side power, obviously something even Anakin would only use as a last resort, at which point he is visibly pissed. On the other hand Vader is a Sith Lord who takes no prisoners. If anything it proves after a while he's the kind to get fed up and start ragdolling.
Oh and a better comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpLiiD1Gsjk&t=2m36s
Anyone without a raging hard-on for Ahsoka starting to see a trend?Anyone who isn't hard for Ahsoka at this point is sexually impotent, and to be pitied. 🙂
Hate to interrupt, but...
Force Grip doesn't have anything forbidden about it. It's just catching someone with the Force, restraining the body, as the name says - holding it in a grip.
Force Choke is obviously darksided since it inflicts pain and slowly kills the target. Let's not say restraining someone with the Force is darksided - otherwise TK as a whole should be darksided.
Nah according to the Jedi Path, Force grip as a whole is a forbidden Force power:
This refinement of telekinesis works as an invisible extension of the hand, allowing Force-users to hoist enemies into the air or close off the air from their tracheas. It is truly a brutal and cruel application of the Force.
And ironically enough, Anakin makes the same excuse as you in the annotations.
What's obvious though is Anakin's application of it against Offee was brutal and done out of anger.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
So being pushed against a pillar = blown back over at least a dozen meters.Accounting for the fact that Vader is carrying an extra 40 kg or so. Right.
And Force grip is a forbidden dark side power, obviously something even Anakin would only use as a last resort, at which point he is visibly pissed. On the other hand Vader is a Sith Lord who takes no prisoners. If anything it proves after a while he's the kind to get fed up and start ragdolling.
Oh and a better comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpLiiD1Gsjk&t=2m36sAnyone who isn't hard for Ahsoka at this point is sexually impotent, and to be pitied. 🙂
Since it had the force to knock him on his back instead of just stopping him, it's evident she was going to knock him back as far.
I'm also creasing with laughter at your idea that the impressive part of Force Pushing Darth Vader is that he's heavy 😂
Oh and yeh, Force Grip isn't a Dark Side power 😬
The quote refers to Choke quite specifically. Hell, ****ing Yoda used Grip on Ventress in the second epsiode of the show... Yoda secret Sith Lord confirmed.
Originally posted by SelenialNo, that would be conjecture. You have no means of telling how far he would have gone.
Since it had the force to knock him on his back instead of just stopping him, it's evident she was going to knock him back as far.
Certainly not as far as Anakin or Ventress were able to shove each other.
I'm also creasing with laughter at your idea that the impressive part of Force Pushing Darth Vader is that he's heavy 😂I said it was important to account for, not that it was the most impressive. 😬
Oh and yeh, Force Grip isn't a Dark Side power 😬No it doesn't, read it again.
The quote refers to Choke quite specifically.
And for the record, its labelled "Force grip" in the book.
Hell, ****ing Yoda used Grip on Ventress in the second epsiode of the show... Yoda secret Sith Lord confirmed.Yoda used Force grip on her lightsabers, not Ventress herself. Lmao.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
No, that would be conjecture. You have no means of telling how far he would have gone.Certainly not as far as Anakin or Ventress were able to shove each other.I said it was important to account for, not that it was the most impressive. 😬No it doesn't, read it again.
And for the record, its labelled "Force grip" in the book.Yoda used Force grip on her lightsabers, not Ventress herself. Lmao.
No it's not, it's simple physics 😬
It's not important to account even slightly, the force barriers are far more important. The difference in mass doesn't separate out the feats at all in the grand scheme of things.
Even if we take that as true, despite how often we've seen Jedi use it in some form, it doesn't matter. The fact Anakin disagrees with it, and is perfectly happy to use it in front of dozens of Jedi shows that he'll hardly only use it as a last resort. Bear in mind here that he force choked Ventress one epsiode earlier quite happily, and Pogul the Lesser before that, when he needed information from them.
Besides, how on earth does that even count as a situation you'd refer to as a "last resort" when Barriss was surrounded by temple guard?
And no, he used it on her. She was unable to move, and he flung her sideways afterwards, which is an application of grip.
Originally posted by SelenialEnlighten me. 🙂
No it's not, it's simple physics 😬
It's not important to account even slightly, the force barriers are far more important. The difference in mass doesn't separate out the feats at all in the grand scheme of things.It is. Granted Vader's weight wouldn't have made it particularly more difficult for Ahsoka to push him, but his weight would have added traction and made it easier for him to slow his momentum
Even if we take that as true, despite how often we've seen Jedi use it in some form, it doesn't matter. The fact Anakin disagrees with it, and is perfectly happy to use it in front of dozens of Jedi shows that he'll hardly only use it as a last resort. Bear in mind here that he force choked Ventress one epsiode earlier quite happily, and Pogul the Lesser before that, when he needed information from them.It is true, quite clearly stated in the Jedi Path.Besides, how on earth does that even count as a situation you'd refer to as a "last resort" when Barriss was surrounded by temple guard?
But granted, Anakin clearly has no qualms in using this power. However, considering he went out of his way to conceal his use of it against Poggle, and considering he was visibly enraged towards the end of the fight, I'm inclined to say he attacked impulsively out of anger, without thought for the public stage. The only instances of him actually using it being when angry.
The visual parallels with Luke's rage stomp of Vader reinforcing this.
And it was a "last resort" in the respect that his attempts to pacify her were proving ineffective, so he resorted to more aggressive tactics.
And no, he used it on her. She was unable to move, and he flung her sideways afterwards, which is an application of grip.Because he fixed her lightsabers in place, and what can simply be interpreted as a push is hardly brutal or cruel in the slightest.