Originally posted by Beniboybling
I don't think this is really relevant anyway. Vader's inability to telekinetically dominate Ahsoka combined with her overall parity with Darth Maul is enough proof she has a firm Force advantage over Kenobi.
So...
Does Vader's inability to telekinetically dominate Ben Kenobi, combined with Ben's overall parity with Vader is enough of proof that...
Ben Kenobi has a firm advantage over Obi-Wan Kenobi?
MIND BLOWN
Ahsoka has two lightsabers anyway, and Obi-Wan does better against two lightsabers.
Originally posted by JKBart
So...Does Vader's inability to telekinetically dominate Ben Kenobi, combined with Ben's overall parity with Vader is enough of proof that...
Ben Kenobi has a firm advantage over Obi-Wan Kenobi?
MIND BLOWN
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I don't think this is really relevant anyway. Vader's inability to telekinetically dominate Ahsoka combined with her overall parity with Darth Maul is enough proof she has a firm Force advantage over Kenobi.
😆 Holy hell. No it isn't. Her fighting an aged and beaten down Maul who has been stranded on Malachor for lord knows how long by no means suggests a force advantage over Kenobi. Especially not when, if we're going with high end showings ROTS Kenobi has matched the TK of a bloodlusted Anakin.
Originally posted by JKBart
So...Does Vader's inability to telekinetically dominate Ben Kenobi, combined with Ben's overall parity with Vader is enough of proof that...
Ben Kenobi has a firm advantage over Obi-Wan Kenobi?
MIND BLOWN
Originally posted by |King Joker|
How does Maul appear to have a large advantage against Kenobi as of Season 4? Kenobi pushed him from behind and Maul didn't go nearly as far. Ahsoka's TK was more than just a little nudge like Barriss' and Kenobi's that tripped Vader up or made him fall back a foot, lol. If Kenobi and Barriss were shoving Maul and Anakin 10 feet straight up and then getting ragdolled later on, that'd prove your point that Ahsoka's TK means jack, but Ahsoka legitimately Force pushed Vader a good distance and in the fight Vader failed to prove he held a large Force advantage against Ahsoka like Maul and Anakin did against Kenobi and Barriss. Just accept that Vader doesn't shit on Ahsoka in every area like you want him to. erm
How much has Maul improved between Season 4 and 5?
Regardless, all the distance does is suggest Ahsoka’s push was more powerful. Now even if we assume these characters have force shields up like they do in the Bane novels, the simple fact that Barriss was able to knock Anakin over with her push despite being vastly inferior in force power leaves open the real possibility that there could be a large gap in power between Vader’s and Ahsoka’s powers. And while he didn’t prove he has a large in that duel, his feats in other media like LotS and the comics utterly surpass anything I can think of Ahsoka doing.
Fuggin stupids, let me explain this clearly. 🙂
Vader has demonstated the ability to apply telekinesis in situ in his fights against Ezra/Kanan, Luke, Karbin and indeed Ahsoka.
Over the course of a one minute and forty second duel, which Vader had a firm advantage in, he would have had plenty of opportunities to decisively apply telekinesis.
Considering he is after the holocron first and foremost, and therefore wants to get Ahsoka out of the way as quickly as possible, he has motive to decisively apply telekinesis.
He has the ability, opportunity, and motive. Therefore if he has the power to apply telekinesis against Ahsoka why didn't he? He could have thrown her against the wall, tossed her off the pyramid, or simply disarmed her of her lightsabers. Only explanations as to why he didn't are 1. he couldn't 2. Ahsoka put to much pressure on him to be able, but he did use TK in the end, just not decisively, so we can rule that one out.
Originally posted by JKBartNah Kenobi was just too good a duelist to give him an opening.
So...Does Vader's inability to telekinetically dominate Ben Kenobi, combined with Ben's overall parity with Vader is enough of proof that...
Ben Kenobi has a firm advantage over Obi-Wan Kenobi?
MIND BLOWN
Originally posted by Lord StarkLmao. Aged and beaten down yet still trashing the Inquisitors?
😆 Holy hell. No it isn't. Her fighting an aged and beaten down Maul who has been stranded on Malachor for lord knows how long by no means suggests a force advantage over Kenobi. Especially not when, if we're going with high end showings ROTS Kenobi has matched the TK of a bloodlusted Anakin.
And Anakin is stated to be emotionally unbalanced, evidently from his ineffective Force powers, we all know Kenobi doesn't have Anakin's raw power.
@Ares, Bariss didn't knock Anakin over. All she does it knock him against a pillar he'd practically got his back up against.
Originally posted by NephthysBecause of extenuating circumstances. 😬
Vader did apply telekinesis against Ahsoka. Decisively.
Originally posted by ares834Yeah after she collided with him...
I just watched it. He falls over onto that bench-thingy.
Also we should account for the fact that Vader weights 120 kilograms, the average person weighs like 70-80.
Beni, he never used TK against Kanan and he was playing with Ezra otherwise he would have simply forced the blade to decapitate him. With Luke he only threw objects at him on Bespin and he was likely testing him then. With Karbin he manipulates the surrounding environment. With Old Ben he doesn't even employ TK. Only in one of these situations does he directly TK someone ( Ezra ). Just because he didn't telekinetically dominate an opponent doesn't mean he is incapable of doing so especially with his track record of NOT doing so to opponents he could have. Also in our other debate you said that he was solely focused on defeating Ahsoka and now you're saying he was solely focused on retrieving the holocron? Make up your damn mind.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah after she collided with him...
Nope. Re-watch the fight. She knocks him over with TK. He is getting up and then she knocks him over again when she collides with him.