Ahsoka Tano, Old Master Maul & Ben Kenobi run a gauntlet

Originally posted by ares834
As I said, I don't know. But as of now, she doesn't have any that indicate that she could defend against characters who can do such things to Obi-Wan or characters who are smashing armies.

And being stated that she "stands with the best" means what exactly? In the EU, guys like Agen Kolar and Kit Fisto were stated to not only be some of the best swordsmen but some of the best of all time. That doesn't stop us from arguing that they would be stomped by Dooku in a sword fight. For what it's worth, I'd also say that Kenobi "stands with the best" when it comes to force power. I mean he is likely in the top 0.1% of the Jedi Order. Still doesn't protect him from Dooku's TK...

You can argue shit all you like, but the point is she is implicated countless times to be high-tier in Rebels, so I find it frankly insane some would argue she's so far below the likes of Maul and Dooku she'd get ragdolled by them.

"Standing with the best", in the context of a Rebels Recon, discussing Star Wars Rebels, means what, do you think? You can figure it out.

No, it really doesn't. And I didn't bring it up. But, to answer your question, in these threads we don't assume PIS which is why Vader doesn't use it. And he is far from the only one. This is true for pretty much every Jedi who has faced Grievous.

Obi-Wan is also high-tier. But he is still capable of getting ragdolled by Dooku and Maul.

One of the best in the SW universe. I agree. 🙂

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The same way having little exposure means you could possibly be amazing, so we should just assume you are.

And hell, I thought if character #1 performed well against character #2 that had impressive, established feats, we raise character #1, not make silly excuses and baseless assumptions why character #2 would still kick 1's ass because of all dem feats they had prior to the fight.

Ben also has far better TK feats and force showings than Ahsoka, but who cares she "Stands with the best" and pushed Vader which did nothing to him. She's obviously untouchable

No, he actually doesn't.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
It's not like she's just there doing nothing. She's kicking Inquisitor ass, fighting evenly with a guy who I guess can ragdoll her now because **** it, and contending with Vader, with the statements from Rebels producers/Filoni, Rebels Recon, etc. implying she's very powerful and high-tier. So yeah, we should assume she's pretty amazing, and not assume she'd get slaughtered by characters who have more feats.

And hell, I thought if character #1 performed well against character #2 that had impressive, established feats, we raise character #1, not make silly excuses and baseless assumptions why character #2 would still kick 1's ass because of all dem feats they had prior to the fight.

Almost everyone here has drastically raised Ahsoka's standing. With most putting her above Ventress and with swordplay that rivals Maul's...

So yeah, most would say she is "very powerful" and "high-tier".

Originally posted by |King Joker|
No, he actually doesn't.

I know you're riding her nuts hard, but try to actually compare her showings versus Kenobi

Kenobi can lift massive airships like this alongside Anakin:

Kenobi can implode Durge

Durge being capable of withstanding cannonfire, lava, being smashed around by Grievous, among other things

Ripping down large slabs of durasteel

He feinted, to keep the droids' attention on his weapon while he used the Force to drop a huge rectangular slab of durasteel down from the ceiling.

And also lifting the belly of his Republic starfighter from freefall in the Republic comics:

He's also got better showings of deflection, beast control, force healing- so if you're going to claim Ahsoka has better force showings please show them to me.

Originally posted by ares834
No, it really doesn't.

Originally posted by ares834
And I didn't bring it up.

Originally posted by ares834
But, to answer your question, in these threads we don't assume PIS which is why Vader doesn't use it. And he is far from the only one. This is true for pretty much every Jedi who has faced Grievous.

Originally posted by ares834
One of the best in the SW universe. I agree. 🙂

Originally posted by |King Joker|
It's not like she's just there doing nothing. She's kicking Inquisitor ass, fighting evenly with a guy who I guess can ragdoll her now because **** it, and contending with Vader, with the statements from Rebels producers/Filoni, Rebels Recon, etc. implying she's very powerful and high-tier. So yeah, we should assume she's pretty amazing, and not assume she'd get slaughtered by characters who have more feats.

And hell, I thought if character #1 performed well against character #2 that had impressive, established feats, we raise character #1, not make silly excuses and baseless assumptions why character #2 would still kick 1's ass because of all dem feats they had prior to the fight.

Maul, Dooku, and Vader all have greater force showings than the Inquisitors so her being capable of ragdolling beings (One of which Maul effortlessly ragdolled)- doesn't prove she is incapable of being dominated. I'm not assuming she's amazing in the force, her TCW feats, Legends force feats, and Canon feats frankly aren't up to par with any of the three aforementioned force users. We already know she's on near Vader/Maul in lightsaber skill (inferior but close), that doesn't mean she won't get dominated by them in a force duel.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
So Vader's actual performances don't matter, we'll just assume he can do stuff against opponents in threads even though he never shows the ability to actually do them.

Luckily he has displayed force powers well in excess of anything Ahsoka has ever done.

@Carthage: I wasn't referring to Legends during this entire conversation, lmfao

Ahsoka landing TK on Vader (who is much more powerful than Kenobi) and sending him a large distance is a more impressive combat showing than what he's displayed with the Force. It's kind of hard comparing prime Ahsoka's showings manipulating inanimate objects with Kenobi's when she doesn't really have any, but she has the showings where it counts.

I'll respond to your other post tomorrow

Nothing in the thread bans Legends feats, and lifting that Ship, tearing down slabs of durasteel, are very easily above anything Ahsoka has demonstrated in the force. Again pushing Vader doesn't prove she's on par with him, considering Vader's force feats are even more out of reach for Ahsoka's then Kenobi's are. Kas'im tagged Bane, Kao Cen Darach tagged Malgus, Kenobi even sent Anakin flying- yet they're all inferior force users whether by feats or potentiality in the force.

Then there's no point in this discussion if we're talking from a completely different premise lmao

So Kenobi...

Slowed the fall of a crashing air ship (lets not exaggerate the feat here) with the help of his powerful Padawan.

Broke a durasteel slab free from his moorings.

And lifted up the belly of his starfighter.

OK, these are good showings. But how are they any more impressive than say Kanan halting the collapse of meter-wide stalactites and a mountain of rubble, before his prime and having not used the Force for years?

Or the Seventh Sister, being able to, for a time, hold back the Ghost shuttle?

In terms of exertion and the level of mass manipulated, I'd say they are comparable.

Point being that Ahsoka telekinetically dominated the Seventh Sister:

And straight up KO'ed the Fifth Brother:

Who in terms demonstrated telekinetic superiority to Kanan (via Force gripping him) and his aforementioned feat.

Simply put Ahsoka is well above those TK showings, so why are they being presented as prove of Kenobi's superiority?

I'd like to see proof he can dominate the Inquisitors tbh.

The one legitimate showing raised is Kenobi exploding Durge. But in the contexts of a medium that is depicting Mace soloing armies with his TK, Padawan Anakin Force pushing a massive weapons platform and a random Jedi telekinetically holding up Star Destroyer I find it, relatively speaking, not as impressive, and I don't think it accurate or fair to compare it therefore to Ahsoka's Canon feats.

And lol at claiming Kenobi has "better" showings than Ahsoka deflection, beast control, force healing when Ahsoka has none in that arena, blatant appeal to an absence of evidence.

I also don't think we should ignore Ahsoka performance against Maul either.

For one, no he did not exert a telekinetic advantage against Ahsoka in a fight, which is important. Nor is Vader Maul so I don't see how his actions set a precedent. Maul TK'ed Kenobi straight out of the gate on Pleem's Nexus, TK'ed him again in their next engagement, and most importantly in the contexts of Rebels, BFR'ed the 8th Brother and telekinetically dominated the Seventh Sister.

He has no jobbing feats and there is strong grounds for this being his MO.

More importantly though Ahsoka was able to stalemate against him over the course of a two minute engagement, with neither side demonstrating any notable advantage. And considering they are both offensively orientated duelists wielding energy intensive styles, it therefore stands to reason that Ahsoka compared to Maul in Force-augmentative ability and therefore Force ability in general.

Cancer...

GG no re.

Anakin was sad tho.

:iwin: 🙂 👆

I concede. Pushing Vader back a few meters without him even getting floored obviously outclasses Kenobi's feat. Ahsoka ragdolls.

I accept your concession, and welcome you into the fold. 🙂

Originally posted by ares834
That seems a stretch.

How? Maul's performance against Ventress and Kenobi (who have both struggle with Savage) deconstructs the notion that Maul can do that to Savage at anytime.

Well, first of all, I never said Maul would win. I believe Dooku would win albeit in a fairly close match. And secondly, I would point out that Sidious is a far more overwhelming and dominating opponent than Yoda. So those showings do not, I feel, act as a great barometer of their power relative to one another.

How is Sidious a more overwhelming and dominating opponent than Yoda when Yoda at one point was overwhelming him in contest of sabers?

Not to mention the ROTS novel states his form made him a "whirlwind of destruction" and the "the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known".

Yoda is just as overwhelming and dominating of an opponent as Darth Sidious in a contest of sabers. Dooku is just better than Maul.