Originally posted by h1a8
I have admitted I was wrong more than anyone here.
I never make up powers. Surfer and Thor fans do that the most. Everything I say has been shown in comics
What powers were made up for Surfer and Thor?
Also weren't you the one who said that Superman during the Imperiex Saga took an explosion equal to billions of planets exploding? When that quite clearly never happened.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Just stop.
Why? This is fun.
You know you're wrong. I know you're wrong. Hell I even looked to h1's post and he knows you're wrong since he's not afraid to let his opinion heard. Usually he'd respond to anything he thought was wrong.
Oh, so you are a telepath now? And deferring to h1a8 now?
crylaugh
You realize you are now solely hinging your argument on auras when you know damn well you use the "artist inconsistency" argument like every other debate? And the reason Sue wasn't there in the other fight is because she was invisible... IE her appearance doesn't conflict with anything.
So , its artist inconsistency now when it suits you?
Hell you even basically are admitting you're wrong when you say things like the writer didn't consult with Starlin or psychic auras weren't there. Yes, Tom Defalco, the active editor in chief at Marvel and the active editor of the event did not consult with Starlin, and just wound up in the very same pose before Thanos punched him on accident.
Starlin for sure never wrote Sue helping Thanos.
It was a coincidence. Same with the punch that led to him grabbing him by the collar. Same with a lot, because it was the same thing. An aura doesn't completely change the landscape of a fight. And where exactly does this leave us if we choose to put heavy emphasis on auras anyway?
That it wasn't a physical fight.
One fight had auras and the other didn't even though they followed the same chain and had the same action scenes and there is absolutely no proof they went to the astral plane besides "auras"? Are they two different fights? Did the clone get beaten twice? Is one non canon? Where does your stretching lead to?
One fight had Thanos beat the clone in astral plane. One had Thanos and Sue beat the clone in a physical fight.
I'm pretty sure you can understand the basic difference.
I could see if there was actual proof they went to the astral plane, and Sue was watching them in another that it would conflict, but there wasn't. You're twisting words without actually convincing yourself of it, and saying the fight where Sue watched them just doesn't count because psychic auras... look you've already nigh admitted that Sue was there for the end of the fight (and watching the whole time) unless you're saying they had two fights, then you can't be right.
Where did you think Starlin used Sue for the fight?
Even if we somehow think the Starlin fight was confusing and needed context for us to understand where they were battling, luckily we have the editor in chief of the event to come along and make a comic that showed they were on the physical plane.
Not really. You are using Thanos written by other writers to showcase Thanos clone's power. That's not how the comics work.
Luckily comics aren't videos where the exact same attacks have to be shown or else something is off. Luckily comics can add or take away attacks since the fights aren't fluid motion more often than not. And luckily Tom Defalco (editor in chief of Marvel and the event) chose to include in a comic the uppercut and collar grab that mirrored the end of the Starlin fight signifying that it was not only the same fight, but the end of the fight as well.
Tom Defalco was Editor-in-chief. Craig Anderson was the editor of IW.
So nope.
Also, here's Thanos apparently being half psychic aura, half physical:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15718601/5895684.jpg.htmlApparently Thanos powers up his "psychic aura" (a word never used in the comic) to envelop slowly over his physical body so both exist on the same plane...
So what is that exactly?
Not to mention you're using a red herring from a different writer and comic and telling me to find the difference when the fight is pretty much the same but with more Alpha Flight.
Or there are inconsistencies in the tie-ins.
I'm going to go out of character here, but I want to give you some advice. Not trying to be a dick.
I thought if I were civil to you, you would have less issues admitting you're wrong, but no. I thought, if this is the one time abhi is wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, then he might just admit it. It doesn't matter how wrong you are, you are going to argue with it. You know why people like Carver? Because he doesn't take himself seriously. Carver is wrong all the time but still likable. He's not afraid to admit he's wrong.
On the other hand, Quan, and h1 are said to be wrong all the time. What they have in common is that they never admit it. People do not like these posters. H1 comes in here with no proof and starts making up powers. Argues with everyone. You come in here with no proof, and say the editor in chief of Marvel is wrong and it's a totally different fight (?). Will not admit he's wrong. Do you seek to distance yourself from these posters or do you choose to become these posters?
Are you finished?
I'd have a lot more respect for you if you just admitted you made a mistake, as I'm sure a lot of this forum would. Maybe it would avoid memes like "You always hated me". Maybe some people would start to actually listen to you a little. I don't know, but what I do know is that what you're doing right now isn't working. You got the last word, good for you, it still doesn't change the facts. People aren't stupid, they can see what's going on. You could be the best debator that ever lived, but if people know you're wrong, and no evidence collaborates with what you're saying, then where does that leave you at the end of the day?
Coming from you? How many times have you admitted that you have made a mistake?
I'm not going to waste my time with this anymore and I could answer the rest, but when you can't even accept the fact that you are 110 percent wrong and are making things up on half of it, then there's no point going further with you. Hell, you literally said here that the writer didn't consult with Starlin and when you were told that the writer was the editor in chief of Marvel, you still tried to defend that position by saying Starlin does his own thing. 😂
What are you even supposed to do in a debate with someone that just keeps digging himself into a deeper hole, and no matter how deep he gets, he will always find a way to go deeper? I don't think I've ever had a debate with you when you were this wrong. I do want to continue but shit... it's just you being a wall making up excuses every post.So you can have the last word, make sure you get your insults in to mask how delusional you are, and have a good day friend. 🙂
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Where did I even insult you in this thread?
Make sure you read Civil War FCBD today itself. Its a really good comic for Thanos and his gun.
vin
Originally posted by Surturthat wasn't me.
What powers were made up for Surfer and Thor?Also weren't you the one who said that Superman during the Imperiex Saga took an explosion equal to billions of planets exploding? When that quite clearly never happened.
Surfer fans speculate on the things Surfer could do based off his power set. Sometimes it's logical although he has never shown that ability. A prime example is the famous turn air in someone's lungs into adamantium or phase in mid battle to avoid being attacked.
Originally posted by h1a8
that wasn't me.Surfer fans speculate on the things Surfer could do based off his power set. Sometimes it's logical although he has never shown that ability. A prime example is the famous turn air in someone's lungs into adamantium or phase in mid battle to avoid being attacked.
That isn't you? You're doing it right here in this very thread with Apoc. In all of the years since the characters inception, his best showing is against Thor not going all out.
Is Abhi is dumb mode again? He's now claiming the heroes weakened the construct with ZERO proof to back it up. Niiiiiice. Then he's claiming Warlock helped Thanos, and what's worse, with the Soul Gem. I see, so what kind of attack does the Soul Gem produce here that adversely affects the construct? What's more, Warlock could've simply been amping up, getting ready to blast. There is no way to tell for sure. The one person we know fired a blast.. was Thanos... Warlock is not for sure, nor do we know how much he could help with the Soul Gem. What's unquestionable is all the heroes tried to break the construct and were having no effect on it. Thanos one shot it.
Originally posted by h1a8
that wasn't me.Surfer fans speculate on the things Surfer could do based off his power set. Sometimes it's logical although he has never shown that ability. A prime example is the famous turn air in someone's lungs into adamantium or phase in mid battle to avoid being attacked.
This seems kind of silly though. If Surfer has shown the ability to go intangible then it's not really granting him a power he hasn't shown by saying he could use it to avoid an attack. If I can go intangible and use it to effortlessly walk through a wall you'd need a damn good explanation as to why I couldn't use it to allow bullets to harmlessly pass through me.
This is like saying Superman couldn't use his heat vision to roast some marshmallows because we've never seen him specifically doing that.
Originally posted by SurturBut we don't know how fast he can activate the power. Surfer might not be able to use it to avoid getting hit by a fast attack. That was the reason I said "to avoid attacks".
This seems kind of silly though. If Surfer has shown the ability to go intangible then it's not really granting him a power he hasn't shown by saying he could use it to avoid an attack. If I can go intangible and use it to effortlessly walk through a wall you'd need a damn good explanation as to why I couldn't use it to allow bullets to harmlessly pass through me.This is like saying Superman couldn't use his heat vision to roast some marshmallows because we've never seen him specifically doing that.
But there are many other things people have said through the years that Surfer never shown. I just can't think of them now.
Originally posted by h1a8
But we don't know how fast he can activate the power. Surfer might not be able to use it to avoid getting hit by a fast attack. That was the reason I said "to avoid attacks".But there are many other things people have said through the years that Surfer never shown. I just can't think of them now.
Do we have any reason to believe the power isn't activated by thought? Unless we've seen something to suggest it takes time to power up..I don't see why he couldn't use it.
Originally posted by StoicI never said that about Superman. I'm not making anything up about Apoc. I'm using the Thor and Hulk feat as a reference to his strength. I believe there are no low showings by him that contradict that strength. He doesn't use physical strength that much and he has limited appearances (less than Thanos).
That isn't you? You're doing it right here in this very thread with Apoc. In all of the years since the characters inception, his best showing is against Thor not going all out.
Originally posted by h1a8
I never said that about Superman. I'm not making anything up about Apoc. I'm using the Thor and Hulk feat as a reference to his strength. I believe there are no low showings by him that contradict that strength. He doesn't use physical strength that much and he has limited appearances (less than Thanos).
Apoc's run ins with those two aren't the way that a forum battle would work in the strictest sense though. You bringing it up over and over won't really change it, and Apoc really has no business being in a vs thread with a guy that's leagues above his head in terms of on panel feats. You're taking a guesstimate on things without fully considering the feats that Thanos has accomplished is what people are trying to make you realize. Apoc loses a vast majority until he can actually prove that he wouldn't have problems with guys like Loki, and Black Bolt. Both are very powerful, but not even close to Thanos. Just something to mull over.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You do realize that Marvel is in the era that Thor is now a threat to Odin right? The female characters that would have been wiped off the map by Namor like Captain Danvers have only recently become relevant threats to guys like Thanos. So if they could do that to Thanos, just imagine the hurting that they would put on Apoc. So I have a question for you. How far did you think those scans would take you in terms of proving that Apoc would win this fight against Thanos?
I can only imagine what's in store for DC comics, and am feeling cautiously optimistic that Superman is about to get his balls lifted by Diana.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's hardly the first time the Mad Titan screwed up, my friend 😉KA-ZAR
vin
If Batman can confound Darkseid, I don't see why Ka-Zar can't do the same to Thanos. That still really doesn't prove that Apoc wins this with his severely challenged appearance ratings though. Apoc really has no reason being in a thread against Thanos with his limited feats. You can spin it any way you want, but he just doesn't have a prayer of winning this.
Originally posted by StoicWith the limited appearances that Apoc have we average them. Apoc has the strength to serious hurt Thanos and the durability to withstand some attacks and the healing factor to anew.
If Batman can confound Darkseid, I don't see why Ka-Zar can't do the same to Thanos. That still really doesn't prove that Apoc wins this with his severely challenged appearance ratings though. Apoc really has no reason being in a thread against Thanos with his limited feats. You can spin it any way you want, but he just doesn't have a prayer of winning this.
I see Apoc eventually winning a long battle (mostly because of the healing factor and the strength to damage Thanos).
Thanos wins very convincely, Apoc has no shown he's a threat to Thanos period Nuisance yes but that's all Apoc will be. Thanos is far more powerful than Apoc plus more versatile in his powers, Thanos will beat Apoc with his intelligence in the end, if Apoc wants to take it to energy blast etc he will lose so damn hard it's not even funny.
Pure force block for the win
