Originally posted by |King Joker|
Ahsoka sparring with Anakin endlessly vs. Anakin beating down Dooku in minutes. TCW Ahsoka > Dooku confirmed.Sparring with your master isn't the same as fighting him in a battle to the death, you ****ing moron.
Sith training is obviously going to be harsher you "****ing moron."
Also quote for Ahsoka sparring "endlessly" with Anakin.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Harder, Syn. Try harder. 🙂I will only address this supposedly "idiotic" idea that Vader > Marek.
Marek defeated Vader in TFU, but that was in part a by-product of Vader becoming unbalanced by his application of Dun Moch.
On the other hand in their second confrontation with Marek's more powerful clone it's stated that:
He may have defeated Vader before, but Vader had learned from that mistake. He knew the measure of his former apprentice now.
And with Marek failing to apply any kind of Dun Moch he is decisively beaten. Hence Vader's superiority.
Dun Moch? What are you talking about? The only think that comes close to what you're saying is Galen saying Vader didn't have a father and Vader temporarily gaining the advantage BECAUSE of that. It worked in Vader's favour just like Dooku's backfired Dun Moch worked in Anakin's.
Also there's nothing stating that the Clone is more powerful then the original and btw the clone was at the time was unaware of how powerful Vader by the end of TFUII was just like Galen was unaware of how powerful Vader was by the end of TFU.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Sith training is obviously going to be harsher you "****ing moron."Also quote for Ahsoka sparring "endlessly" with Anakin.
Originally posted by hutchy1345
True sith training is more intense most likely
But the master isn't gonna actually kill the apprentice lol you're delusional if you think that just because he survived a 6 hour sparring sesh doesn't mean he could actually beat him
Of course not but then neither could Ahsoka. I think fighting Vader for 6 hours in a Sith sparring session is as good or better then fighting Vader for a few minutes when he's distracted by attempting to accomplish a more primary objective.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Right sorry I haven't replied to you yet about Zannah's sorcery. You posted literally right as I was about to sneak out of my house that night and I haven't had enough computer access since then to reply.
No problem. Your lack of faith in Galen is disturbing though...
Originally posted by Syndicate
No problem. Your lack of faith in Galen is disturbing though...
End of novel Galen is a completely different story though.
Originally posted by hutchy1345
How do you know vader is distracted? Maybe he thought that the fall from his tk would kill ahsoka
Either way when the temple was collapsing he looked like he definitely wanted ahsoka dead and yet she seems to have survived
Because there's a Sith superweapon powering up right above him that might be used to damage the Empire. Something Sidious would not be pleased with as that's the reason he was sent there in the first place. Given Ahsoka and he have fallen much greater distances before I doubt that. That's because the holocron had already been removed and she had just cut off a portion of his mask enraging him. We don't know if she survived and even if she did we don't know under what circumstances she managed to.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Eh he's just too far before his peak at this point. I don't see his lightsaber skills measuring up to Ahsoka's performance against Vader when he is still being given a good fight by Kota.End of novel Galen is a completely different story though.
I can understand that but then again he did fight through Imperial AND Rebel forces blocking his way to Kota beforehand so perhaps he could have defeated Rahm more quickly had his force reserves not been as depleted as they were.
Originally posted by SyndicateNaw my friend for one the there is no evidence the superweapon was powering up to fire, in fact its implied that Ezra would need to provide a target for that to happen.
Because there's a Sith superweapon powering up right above him that might be used to damage the Empire. Something Sidious would not be pleased with as that's the reason he was sent there in the first place. Given Ahsoka and he have fallen much greater distances before I doubt that. That's because the holocron had already been removed and she had just cut off a portion of his mask enraging him. We don't know if she survived and even if she did we don't know under what circumstances she managed to.
Then we have Vader expressing his disbelief that Ezra knew how to operate it, nor does removing the holocron seem a particularly pressing matter for him.
So we've no reason to assume he had half his attention on the temple while fighting Ahsoka, as that would serve no purpose.
More likely, as I have said before, that he was directing all his attention and powers to Ahsoka so he could remove her as an obstacle and recover it.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Naw my friend for one the there is no evidence the superweapon was powering up to fire, in fact its implied that Ezra would need to provide a target for that to happen.Then we have Vader expressing his disbelief that Ezra knew how to operate it, nor does removing the holocron seem a particularly pressing matter for him.
So we've no reason to assume he had half his attention on the temple while fighting Ahsoka, as that would serve no purpose.
More likely, as I have said before, that he was directing all his attention and powers to Ahsoka so he could remove her as an obstacle and recover it.
And how would Vader know that?
He could have been bluffing and even if not he's likely going to want to get there before Maul or somebody with knowledge on how the weapon works actually gets up there to use it.
If there's a car crash on the side of the road it serves no purpose to slow down and see what happened but we do anyways. It's a subconscious action.
I think you're not taking into account that these characters can be distracted just like any other.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Sparring with your master isn't the same as fighting him in a battle to the death, you ****ing moron.
Well, since he's talking strictly stamina, it basically is. I don't know who the **** you think Vader is, but he's not exactly going to let Marek take a quick five to grab a glass of water and breathe. Nor is he the kind of person to go easy on Marek, you train by being beaten, Vader would push him to his limits for the full duration.
Furthermore, I don't see why everyone's placing Marek below Ahsoka in blade work. This guy's mastered three seperate forms of Lightsaber combat by this point, Soresu being one of them. His defense was good enough to hold back a fully trained Juyo master, which is supposedly the hardest form to defend against and requiring many other forms mastered to even learn... His fights with Ti and Paratus should be taken into account too. All he did was refine his force techniques and his adaptability, so it's not like he improved so dramatically that his fights with them are out of early-Galen's reach.
Ahsoka challenging Vader doesn't automatically place her above him 😬
Y'all mother****ers using Kota vs Vader as an example, forgetting that he was blind and had fallen kilometres off a space station, hardly in his prime.
I don't see how Ahsoka's making it through Galen's defences before being shat on in the force...
Originally posted by Selenial
Well, since he's talking strictly stamina, it basically is. I don't know who the **** you think Vader is, but he's not exactly going to let Marek take a quick five to grab a glass of water and breathe. Nor is he the kind of person to go easy on Marek, you train by being beaten, Vader would push him to his limits for the full duration.Furthermore, I don't see why everyone's placing Marek below Ahsoka in blade work. This guy's mastered three seperate forms of Lightsaber combat by this point, Soresu being one of them. His defense was good enough to hold back a fully trained Juyo master, which is supposedly the hardest form to defend against and requiring many other forms mastered to even learn... His fights with Ti and Paratus should be taken into account too. All he did was refine his force techniques and his adaptability, so it's not like he improved so dramatically that his fights with them are out of early-Galen's reach.
Ahsoka challenging Vader doesn't automatically place her above him 😬
Y'all mother****ers using Kota vs Vader as an example, forgetting that he was blind and had fallen kilometres off a space station, hardly in his prime.
I don't see how Ahsoka's making it through Galen's defences before being shat on in the force...
Pretty much. Even though I don't rate Galen very highly as a duelist.
Originally posted by Selenial
Well, since he's talking strictly stamina, it basically is. I don't know who the **** you think Vader is, but he's not exactly going to let Marek take a quick five to grab a glass of water and breathe. Nor is he the kind of person to go easy on Marek, you train by being beaten, Vader would push him to his limits for the full duration.Furthermore, I don't see why everyone's placing Marek below Ahsoka in blade work. This guy's mastered three seperate forms of Lightsaber combat by this point, Soresu being one of them. His defense was good enough to hold back a fully trained Juyo master, which is supposedly the hardest form to defend against and requiring many other forms mastered to even learn... His fights with Ti and Paratus should be taken into account too. All he did was refine his force techniques and his adaptability, so it's not like he improved so dramatically that his fights with them are out of early-Galen's reach.
Ahsoka challenging Vader doesn't automatically place her above him 😬
Y'all mother****ers using Kota vs Vader as an example, forgetting that he was blind and had fallen kilometres off a space station, hardly in his prime.
I don't see how Ahsoka's making it through Galen's defences before being shat on in the force...
Let's not forget that Kota wasn't a bad duelist, his fight with Galen ended more or less because his stamina gave out rather than just being beaten by sheer bladework.
Kota also was able to switch styles mid-duel and even had some moves that Galen(who trained with PROXY who had all these famous lightsaber duelists and their moves to imitate) hadn't seen before.