Daredevil Vs Wolverine equal(ish) bodies

Originally posted by jrodslam
Wolvie inst strong or stronger to the point where its going to make much of a difference in a fight with DD. Everyone who fights DD, gets their strength nulled for the simple fact that they are ALWAYS hard pressed to land a clean blow. Even the cl100 fighters. Its been prove. If by change it were to happen, it would take quite a few to actually knock DD out. Same goes for Wolvie id guess.

Now the powers that a writers has is uncanny. More times than not, we've seen a toss of Caps shield have some type of effect when hitting cl100 characters. Its nothing new. So to assume that Hercules cant be at least staggered when hitting hit from behind via shield toss (in the dark mind you), is odd to me. Lack of balance in the dark. Cant see footing etc.

So just to be clear you are saying when it comes to physical strength Daredevil is above Wolverine?

DD and Logan should b about the same, or Logan a little stronger due to how his healing factor handles fatigue and stress and muscle tissue damage. That's how i remember it explained somewhere. But no "super strength".

People need to understand how DD has been written all these years. His skills r specifically written so he van compete with super-powered enemies, without having to amp him the way all the other characters keep getting amp'd.

"Amping" is just a writer's cheat 75% of the time. Because it takes intelligence, effort and deep knowledge of a character, in order to write scenarios that put the character in jeapardy, (making the readers actually give a crap), face a more powerful enemy, or an insurmountable problem and then figure out an intetesting, possible way for the charactet to overcome.

What's the easiest thing to write when your character is in a bad way and u can't figure out a smart solution to write?
I know! This or that happens and BANG! The character became more powerful and it all worked out! Problem solved. It's fast and it's easy.

It's one of the biggest comic book quality problems going on. And it has been ruining characters since comic books became "big business". But, DD is one of the few characters that have been mostly untouched by it. Which is why i called it "quality writing". It's just my view on it.

And, i am putting together some scans of Cap's shield toss doing damage to "big guns".
Herc
Hulk
Submariner
Super Adaptoid
Etc

Originally posted by Horrificus
And, i am putting together some scans of Cap's shield toss doing damage to "big guns".
Herc
Hulk
Submariner
Super Adaptoid
Etc

- Ultimus
- Wonder Man
- Crab Voidtry (when Cap was amped by Norn Stones)
- P5 Namor

The list is pretty damn long, actually.

Originally posted by Surtur
So just to be clear you are saying when it comes to physical strength Daredevil is above Wolverine?

Not at all. Im saying that Wolvie normalized, we dont know how much stronger than DD he is/would be. And even if hes "much" stronger, we wouldnt know by how much, nor would it be enough strength to make much of a difference in h2h.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
- Ultimus
- Wonder Man
- Crab Voidtry (when Cap was amped by Norn Stones)
- P5 Namor

The list is pretty damn long, actually.

Sure is.

Continued...

And, what is more "laughable", a character is highly skilled in martial arts and manages to avoid and redirect attacks, or a character suddenly finds out that he is "alien royalty" and a whole new level of power falls in his lap? Suddenly a Super mutant, suddenly find a power-giving artifact, stumble upon godlike tech, etc. And crap like that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
- Ultimus
- Wonder Man
- Crab Voidtry (when Cap was amped by Norn Stones)
- P5 Namor

The list is pretty damn long, actually.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Not at all. Im saying that Wolvie normalized, we dont know how much stronger than DD he is/would be. And even if hes "much" stronger, we wouldnt know by how much, nor would it be enough strength to make much of a difference in h2h.

Apparently, Wolverine retains his super-strength after losing his healing power...

But Marvel has never been 100% clear about that. Even Claremont himself was undecided.

Now, let's all hug!

Except u carver.
Just kidding. Come here big guy.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Apparently, Wolverine retains his super-strength after losing his healing power...

But Marvel has never been 100% clear about that. Even Claremont himself was undecided.

? Hmm. Id naturally call bs on that, but at the same time, its like always walking around with weights on(dbg fighters). Once the extra weight is removed, they are faster and stronger. Or maybe stronger because they are faster? I wouldnt say Wolvie has super strength though. Lower than old school Cage and Kingpin. Cap level?

Originally posted by jrodslam
? Hmm. Id naturally call bs on that, but at the same time, its like always walking around with weights on(dbg fighters). Once the extra weight is removed, they are faster and stronger. Or maybe stronger because they are faster? I wouldnt say Wolvie has super strength though. Lower than old school Cage and Kingpin. Cap level?

Cap has super-strength 😛

Logan's strength and speed were revealed to have undergone additional mutations over the years in Wolverine: The Best There Is series.

When Scrambler messed up his HF, Logan stated it does not make him any less stronger (which is contradicted in his solo series also written by Claremont, lol). But that perhaps can be explained that it takes time for his extra strength to fade away.

Before his death, Richards has stated that despite losing his healing factor, he does retain his strength and speed... and that if he didn't, he wouldn't be able to move with his adamantium-laced skeleton.

How strong, physically, is Wolverine supposed to be? Since the implication seems to be for him to be put on DD's level it would be a reduction, but doesn't DD have strength enough to flip over limo's?

So is Wolverine a good deal above that level of strength?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Deflect? You're trolling hun. U made a nerf match. Got upset anytime someone doesnt vote for dd. Jumped to horrificuz defense like you are his bitkh or something. Now tryin to tell me to "man up" like that means something on a comic book message board. Get your lame ass outta here. Either contribute or stfu.

Aren't they around the same level skillwise?

Originally posted by RadZoa
Aren't they around the same level skillwise?

Handbooks would say no, as Matt is listed only as "5" and Wolverine is maxed out - 7.

But we don't discuss handbooks here much.

We had two giant MA hierarchy threads and in both, Wolverine and DD were in the same tier:

1. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8705068#post8705068

2. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12696096#post12696096

So yeah, they're pretty close.

No, Matt is more skilled.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I just realized I had a hot neighbor across the street that I creepily watched pull an infinite amount of stuff from her suv. I'm going to go chainsaw branches without a shirt after my pump.

Yeah, I think that's what I want my last foreseeable post to be. I was going to save it for when abby inevitably claimed he ran me off the forum with something like "The only person who ran away from you is your father... and that was only to get a running start to punch your mom in the face and coma her again", but I think being creepy is the way to go. I'm glad I didn't waste it on insulting abby and what a giant useless sack of shit he is and how he might actually be dumber than h1. They say abby's dad knocks off an iq point with every hook he lands, so it's not abby's fault he's clinically retarded. His dad just hits too hard and with too good of technique to defend against, especially in the rage of a loved one passing. Abby calls it his loving rage. But I'm glad I didn't use it to take a jab at abby... like he wishes his dad would use instead of hooks all day. I took the high road I feel.

Have fun fellers. If anyone needs anything I'm going to pull a Darth and come on from time to time. 🙂

Looks like bran hated you from the start, too vin

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Handbooks would say no, as Matt is listed only as "5" and Wolverine is maxed out - 7.

But we don't discuss handbooks here much.

We had two giant MA hierarchy threads and in both, Wolverine and DD were in the same tier:

1. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8705068#post8705068

2. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12696096#post12696096

So yeah, they're pretty close.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, Matt is more skilled.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Surtur
Doesn't DD have strength enough to flip over limo's?

Originally posted by Surtur
How strong, physically, is Wolverine supposed to be? Since the implication seems to be for him to be put on DD's level it would be a reduction, is Wolverine a good deal above that level of strength?

As for answering your question, yes, Wolverine is stronger than Daredevil with or without the metal skeleton. With adamantium, he has done things considerably above what Daredevil has done imo. His high end feats with adamantium totally piss on even the highest of Daredevil's strength feats

Wolverine's strength feats with adamantium

[list]
[*]Before fully recovering from extensive burns due having [b]lava[/b] splashed on him, and needing to use his legs to stay afloat thus with only his upper body strength he tossed Black Cat onto a high flying helicopter
[*] On another occasion, he has tossed a white shark onto a ship also while swimming
[*] Logan has broke swords by either punching or grabbing them several times with even way lesser than the effort of breaking a toothpick , with his bare hands.
[*] He has swung around Dragon Man who was stated to be 3 tons by the handbooks
[*] He once punted a guy with enough force to kncok down a steel door
[*] He has broken Razorfist's blade with an elbow
[*] He has overpowered two men pulling his arm from behind while legchoking the guy who had him in a chokehold (for comparison, remember the scene in Riddick 2013 where Batista's character Diaz is pulling Riddick's arms from behind and Bill Nighy's character Viktor choking Scot Speedman's character Micheal in 2003 movie Underworld's climax. Then while this guy is choking Wolverine in a similar manner, two guys are pulling each of Wolverine's arms from behind, using their two hands to pull on Logan's one and logan over-powered them while using his legs to choke the guy who tried to choke him out)
[*] He has lifted six fully grown men over his head with one arm before tossing them through a wooden wall. Even if they all weighed just 60kg Wolverine easily one-armed almost half ton there. I am not even considering all of them 90 kg.
[*] He has once literally kicked a cyborg's head off
[*] On another occasion, he has stabbed his claws through a guy's head and then proceeded to rip it clean off
[*] He has swung around a tree trunk like a baseball bat
[*] He has broken out of Ursa Major's grip and tossed him while in berserker rage
[*] He has once crushed a metal pipe in his hand, and then on another occasion dent a metal dummy's spine with a squeeze of his fingers
[*] He has accidently broken a guy's neck with one punch while holding back
[*] He has tossed a bike with one hand with enough force to break a guy's back
[*] He has ricocheted a dumpster lid like how cap ricochets his shield, with the first hit sending a hand ninja flying into a concrete wall with enough force to crack it
[*] While under mind control, Logan has forced open and crumpled the door's of an elevator, and on another occasion forced open the doors of the Danger Room at maximum setting leaving his finger impressions on them
[*] While weakened from Rogue's touch, punched a charging Rogue (who had both his and Ms Marvel powers then) several feet and through a wall
[*] And like how Cap took of the tail of a helicopter with his shield, Logan replicated that with a wrench
[*] He while being underwater punched a guy with enough force to embed him in conrete and kncok him out, and the guy had a healing factor to boot
[*] He has casually cratered a steel wall with a backhand
[*] He has punched holes in concrete structures on several occasions, once while under several tranqs
[*] He has swam across a rapid while dragging a concert piano and its stand along with him, and those things weigh quite above 1000 pounds. He also climbed a cliff with the piano hanging on him
[*] When the Hellfire Club member Leland used his powers to increase Wolverine's mass to restrain him, Logan who already had been on his knees when Leland used his power on him, exerted enough counterforce to being forced to the ground that the floor beneath him collapsed
[*] He has actually stopped a speeding pick-up truck by just standing in its way, with the vehicle getting crushed on him
[*] He has held up and elevator with people in it with one hand while hanging on a metal rope with the other hand aka no assistance from lower body
[*] While riding at full speed on his bike, he has sent 3 fully grown men [b][u] and two cars[/u][/b] 4 feet up in the air with one swinge