Daredevil Vs Wolverine equal(ish) bodies

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[*] He has pummeled the bulletproof/grenadeproof supersoldier Nuke's face off with only headbutts. The closest I've seen Nuke ever get that damaged was when a bloodlusted Cap wailed on him with his shield or when he was diced up by lasers which were powerful enough to go right through Luke Cage. And Logan took no damage from that despite being bereft of his healing factor
. And yes its the same psycho guy with the big gun Daredevil fought in the Armageddon arc at the end of Born Again storyline
[*] Logan once took on the class 10 mutant Caliban in a fist fight and Kod him in 3 pages
[*] When Dark Beast made Logan angry, he got an elbow to the face with considerable damage. In the same issue, Logan messed up AOA Wildchild with an elbow too
[*] He has made the Lizard feel his punches, making the creature break his grip on him. Though he couldn't bring him down using solely h2h in the same issue so he had to use his claws
[*] He has made Spider Man and his stronger clone Kaine see stars with one punch, one-shot KTFOd Spider Man with a cheapshot and TKOd Kaine with two free hits
and has been consistently able to make Spiderman feel.his hits woth lovetaps
[*] He has actually ripped out the spine of a Fury robot (the adapting robots from Captain Britain run, yeah them. Crazy high end feat)
[*] He has broken out of the grip of Kaiju sized Lizard monster with no leverag

While his showings without adamantium are not so impressive since he has less apperances without adamantium, they are pretty impressive as well. Bone-claw Wolverine has done things like:

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[*] While mind-controlled, held up Vision with one hand by the scruff of his neck, then toss him into the double-backdoors of a van with enough force to knock them both clean off

[*] Swing Moon Knight into concrete with enough force to crack it and KO him in the same move

[*] Toss Black Cat to nail an unsuspecting Human Torce with enough force to KO them both a wreck a water tower, leaving a massive dent on a side and punching a hole in it with the force of the duo crashing into it due to Logan's throw

[*] Dug his fingers into rock and leave finger impressions on/in it, and then stop his and Cyclops fall by digging his fingers into rock. (For comparison, combine Bucky digging his metal arm's fingers into the concrete road in TWS and Del Spooner in I, Robot using his metal arm to break his fall in the movie climax)

[*] Climb a mountain while carrying Cyclops by [u]his mouth[/u] (this was when he was feral) and then jump 10 feet while still carrying Cyclops in his mouth

[*] Toss a loaded dumpster (those things can weigh around 1000 lbs empty and around 3000 loaded) across an alley with one hand

[*] Punch a hole in a steel door with enough space for a person to climb through (like the hole Sonny made in a shutter before running into the S. W. A. T team in I,Robot)

[*] While weakened, Logan double kicked a Wendigo (those things are physically larger than Savage Hulk if you want a comparison. Even Hulk said he was bigger) and sent it flying several feet throug some wooden beams

[*] He has caught Sabretooth's punch after being slashed through the throat, and in the same issue Sabes was able to punch through a forcefield designed by Forge (a mutant whose power is to create machines for whatever purpose he desires to) to stop a charging elephant. So the same writer who thought Sabretooth can punch through a forcefield as powerful as that thought Logan could catch his punch as well

[*] Logan has taken on the class 50 Asgardian called Roughouse who is strong enough to collapse buildings, give Spider Man serious trouble (who had to use knockout drugs to defeat him) and survive a unibeam from Extremis Iron Man in a straight up fistfight and knock him out, several times, with or without adamantium

[*] Wolverine has KOd a demonically possed grizzly bear who had become strong enough to utterly crush normal grizzlys with three shots

[*] Two Hand ninjas once grabbed both of Logan's arm with their grappling chains, one chain on each arm pulled by one guy on each. Logan proceded swing around them like yo-yos

[*] He has neck-lifted people and then pushed away cars with his entire lower half crushed

[*] Armed with a silver cross in his hand, Logan has punched right through a werewolf's head

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Wolverine doesn't get compared to Cap regularly for nothing. He has earned it in every way in stats, skill, experience, leadership or thinking capability (I know Cap outclasses Logan in the last two but he has proven time and time again he's no slouch in that area)

@HiH

First, i love your latest series of posts. Great reading geared towards both characters.

But i've got a question for you:

has used the bench press weight of a guy as a bo-staff and tossed it across the room (reminded me of a identical classic batman feat),

Are sure that wasnt Moon Knight? I could swear i recall that scene with MK. Maybe he did it too, though!

Originally posted by riv6672
@HiH

First, i love your latest series of posts. Great reading geared towards both characters.

But i've got a question for you:

Are sure that wasn't Moon Knight? I could swear i recall that scene with MK. Maybe he did it too, though!

I dunno If MK did it. You should ask KM
Here is the full sequence of Daredevil doing it. From DD #179:

Heck for the hell of it, here's Batman doing in Batman #264.

Now for some hilarious trivia. In Batman #264 the plot was Batman trying to rescue a stunt performer, whose stage name was Devil Dayre from kidnappers and the comic title was Death of a Daredevil. Maybe Frank Miller, being a Bats fan, used this feat as a shout-out as well to that issue.

Nice trivia!

Also😄Ds feat in those scans is way more impressive!

Next time, where you are putting a colon and upper case D next to each other, put more space between them, like this
: D
😛
Funny even a formatting mistake can be embarrassing at times

I have fat fingers, sue me! 😛

But come on, that bar Bats has is hella light compared to DDs!

Originally posted by riv6672
I have fat fingers, sue me! 😛

But come on, that bar Bats has is hella light compared to DDs!

Do you even lift bro? 😉

Originally posted by riv6672
Do you even lift bro? 😉

Also, If I remember correctly,Daredevil has kicked off a car door with a double kick and snapped sniper rifle in half with a stomp. As for more Logan feats he has ripped out a car door with an injured hand. I think that's all enough for him without going into the PIS feats

An important point in this debate, is that DD has beaten opponents that have super-strength, speed, etc, without DD getting amp'd or having super powers.

Regardless of what Logan has, DD should take this. Especially, with his slick, greasey fighting style.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Not at all. Im saying that Wolvie normalized, we dont know how much stronger than DD he is/would be. And even if hes "much" stronger, we wouldnt know by how much, nor would it be enough strength to make much of a difference in h2h.

So then Wolverine is stronger then Daredevil.

EDIT: Going by the feats posted it seems like Wolverine is hilariously stronger then Daredevil. I don't see how that level of strength doesn't make a difference.

Originally posted by Horrificus
An important point in this debate, is that DD has beaten opponents that have super-strength, speed, etc, without DD getting amp'd or having super powers.

Regardless of what Logan has, DD should take this. Especially, with his slick, greasey fighting style.

Except Daredevil does have super powers. Even if Marvel says he doesn't have super powers his actions speak louder then words. Just like DC claimed Batgirl has no powers and yet she's dodging bullets. Or how Batman is a "normal" human even though no he's really not.

In other words DC and Marvel tend to vastly push the boundaries of what a "normal" or "peak" human can do. Within that context a person who has no "powers" defeating slightly super powered people isn't as impressive.

^^^And thats fine that you believe that (i do too mostly) but it isnt something that carries weight in a debate, nor should it be.

Yes, but things like "this person who is obviously superhuman but who Marvel claims isn't fights other superhumans" doesn't carry much weight either right?

It's also quite vague and doesn't necessarily tell us who wins.

Originally posted by Surtur
Except Daredevil does have super powers.

Yeah...

I keep saying that, but nobody listens 😛

Meh, i've never been confused by it.

I mean it basically comes down to..do you believe what you are told or what you see? When you see a dude flipping over limo's and then someone says "totally normal"...it's problematic.

It's not something to be confused over, but "look at the stuff he does without powers" isn't exactly a good argument to use. At least not in this specific case.

Given Wolverine's apparent strength and his unbreakable skeleton and his healing factor it seems to me that the only chance Daredevil has is if he can land hit after hit onto Wolverine without ever getting tagged even once. Given what has been said about Wolverine's speed in other threats it doesn't seem realistic to me to expect Daredevil to never get tagged.

Originally posted by Surtur
So then Wolverine is stronger then Daredevil.

EDIT: Going by the feats posted it seems like Wolverine is hilariously stronger then Daredevil. I don't see how that level of strength doesn't make a difference.

I never said Wolvie wasnt stronger than DD.

And Spider-Man is hilariously stronger than Wolvie, yet hes stated on panel as well as DD that he cant land a solid blow on DD. Thus reducing his strengths effectiveness.

Originally posted by Surtur
I mean it basically comes down to..do you believe what you are told or what you see? When you see a dude flipping over limo's and then someone says "totally normal"...it's problematic.

It's not something to be confused over, but "look at the stuff he does without powers" isn't exactly a good argument to use. At least not in this specific case.

Given Wolverine's apparent strength and his unbreakable skeleton and his healing factor it seems to me that the only chance Daredevil has is if he can land hit after hit onto Wolverine without ever getting tagged even once. Given what has been said about Wolverine's speed in other threats it doesn't seem realistic to me to expect Daredevil to never get tagged.