Originally posted by quanchi112
So based off your own logic flash fights better than batman so why do you insist on trying to argue semantics with me. Ozy's opponents aren't Cap or Bucky either.
No, by your own logic the flash is even considered a H2H fighter. 😂
You're bringing up superpowers when this thread is H2H... bye bye quan
Originally posted by 0mega SpawnYes, he is. He doesn't have a high skill he's just faster. That isn't a superior skill or technique just superior speed.
No, by your own logic the flash is even considered a H2H fighter. 😂You're bringing up superpowers when this thread is H2H... bye bye quan
So you want to ignore speed for the flash but highlight it for Ozy. How stupid are you ?
So in your head someone can't be more skilled due to the fact they're faster, stronger, or say more agile than their opponent?
The fact that ozy has better speed than cap is completely applicable to this debate...would you argue Ali couldn't outbox Tyson because of his reach and speed advantage? 😂
When those factors are what makes him a skilled boxer.
Speed, power, and alot of things are what determine your skills in fighting.
You're bringing up flash which would be an extreme case because his power is literally speed...therefore non applicable since that speed makes normal means of fighting him would be completely useless.
And how stupid am I? I guess very stupid 🤪
Originally posted by 0mega SpawnI am saying that in a hand to hand skill thread someone who is just way faster isn't more skilled in fighting they are just way faster. Take Quicksilver for example from three Fox films. He's just really fast.
So in your head someone can't be a better fighter due to the fact they're faster, stronger, or say more agile than their opponent?
The fact that ozy has better speed than cap is completely applicable to this debate...would you argue Ali couldn't outbox Tyson because of his reach and speed advantage? 😂
When those factors are what makes him a skilled boxer.Speed, power, and alot of things are what determine your skills in fighting.
You're bringing up flash which would be an extreme case because his power is literally speed...therefore non applicable since that speed makes normal means of fighting him would be completely useless.
People in boxing don't hit another level of speed in which they can lap the guy three times before he throws a punch.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying that in a hand to hand skill thread someone who is just way faster isn't more skilled in fighting they are just way faster. Take Quicksilver for example from three Fox films. He's just really fast.People in boxing don't hit another level of speed in which they can lap the guy three times before he throws a punch.
Still using people whose power is literally speed 😆
You can't fight a speedster by normal means therefore they're a shit example...
And again Speed and strength are things (among others) used to determine ones fighting skill. On a human level anyways
Originally posted by 0mega SpawnThat has nothing to do with anything. We are judging by hand to hand skill not speed. Forget about what their powers are and try to stay consistent and true to the spirit of the thread.
Still using people whose power is literally speed 😆
You can't fight a speedster by normal means therefore they're a shit example...And again Speed and strength are things (among others) used to determine ones fighting skill. On a human level anyways
The flash is a human. 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
That has nothing to do with anything. We are judging by hand to hand skill not speed. Forget about what their powers are and try to stay consistent and true to the spirit of the thread.The flash is a human. 😂
Speed is a factor in skill you trashbag 😆
Nobody is bringing uo powers that would be you and this flash nonsense llf
I have forgotten about their powers but ozy is still peak human without powers...whereas without powers cap would be his equal strength wise
Idgaf what flash is...😂
Originally posted by 0mega SpawnYes, but if it's the only skill you really show then you aren't up there in the hand to hand department as in the examples already clearly show.
Speed is a factor in skill you trashbag 😆Nobody is bringing uo powers that would be you and this flash nonsense llf
I have forgotten about their powers but ozy is still peak human without powers...whereas without powers cap would be his equal strength wise
Idgaf what flash is...😂
You made up his level which has no bearing here.
Same basic principle.
Originally posted by Inhuman
I think Ozys reaction time is real fast, especially if he has time to anticipate what is going to happen like the bullet catching thing. As far as using this kind of speed in a fight, well from what we have seen , he doesn't fight at those speeds.
If Ozy didn't have slow fight scenes and just had the bullet catching feat, then yes, I would assume that he would fight with bullet catching speeds. BUT we do see him fight and he looked slow.Yes he toyed with his opponents in a slow manner. Thats probably a knock at Rorch and Nite Owl , as those 2 being not too impressive.
Again, you're still not answering the question at hand. You keep dancing around it. I'm just trying to figure out your stance here. It "sounds" like you're saying that blocking a punch or punching somebody is beyond what Ozy can do with the same level of speed as the bullet feat.
Well, what's odd about that line of thinking is; that would mean that it's somehow easier to move your hand so fast, that you can catch an object much smaller than a hand, and use much more precision in doing so..
yet he can't
catch or block a much larger object thrown a far slower speeds than a gun pointed 3 feet from you?
See I can never get behind that kind of logic, it simply makes zero sense. What makes more sense is that the following:
You equate Ozy appearing to be slow with how it visual looks on screen to you. yet you're forgetting one important thing. You can see his hand move in the bullet timing speed. Odd, if the director actually wanted it to be real looking, as a human we'd see nothing. He'd show basically nothing. Well that is no fun is it. Yet in that scene I don't hear you going on and on about how you can see it and it seems slow. LOL.
What's more logical is, any appearance of him being "slow" in h3h can easily be described as him only needing to do what he needed to do and go as fast as necessary. You think it's slow, yet we see Nite-Owl taking out big huge dudes EASILY and with speed and power. Sending people flying back. Clearly faster than your average thug, and decidedly so. Yet Ozy never has a blow landed on him, even while is back is turned. Casually just talking and having a good time. Does it appear to you that Ozy needed to be faster to you? He was destroying them and easily so. Does that make much more sense than what you propose
Well, I just think he can move his arm that fast in h2h combat.. well.. because.. well.. it's different and a much bigger object with less precision is required. That makes zero sense. If you can move your arm that fast, you can move your arm that fast.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
And remember, caps punch would have to be coming in faster than that 38, or it'll be blocked, or avoided like NO and Ror 🙂
So are you also saying that the Comedian moves as fast/faster than a .38 round, considering he managed to grab and knock Ozy into a wall during their fight?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So are you also saying that the Comedian moves as fast/faster than a .38 round, considering he managed to grab and knock Ozy into a wall during their fight?
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1.He was standing about 2 feet away from him in a crouched position.
2. Comedian is also a badass mf
3. He clearly was toying with the poor fella
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again, you're still not answering the question at hand. You keep dancing around it. I'm just trying to figure out your stance here. It "sounds" like you're saying that blocking a punch or punching somebody is beyond what Ozy can do with the same level of speed as the bullet feat.Well, what's odd about that line of thinking is; that would mean that it's somehow easier to move your hand so fast, that you can catch an object much smaller than a hand, and use much more precision in doing so..
yet he can't
catch or block a much larger object thrown a far slower speeds than a gun pointed 3 feet from you?
See I can never get behind that kind of logic, it simply makes zero sense. What makes more sense is that the following:
You equate Ozy appearing to be slow with how it visual looks on screen to you. yet you're forgetting one important thing. You can see his hand move in the bullet timing speed. Odd, if the director actually wanted it to be real looking, as a human we'd see nothing. He'd show basically nothing. Well that is no fun is it. Yet in that scene I don't hear you going on and on about how you can see it and it seems slow. LOL.
What's more logical is, any appearance of him being "slow" in h3h can easily be described as him only needing to do what he needed to do and go as fast as necessary. You think it's slow, yet we see Nite-Owl taking out big huge dudes EASILY and with speed and power. Sending people flying back. Clearly faster than your average thug, and decidedly so. Yet Ozy never has a blow landed on him, even while is back is turned. Casually just talking and having a good time. Does it appear to you that Ozy needed to be faster to you? He was destroying them and easily so. Does that make much more sense than what you propose
Well, I just think he can move his arm that fast in h2h combat.. well.. because.. well.. it's different and a much bigger object with less precision is required. That makes zero sense. If you can move your arm that fast, you can move your arm that fast.
To keep it short...
Yes, based on screen feats Ozy can move at or close to bullet time with anticipation.
BUT it puts great strain on him and leaves him open while recovering from the feat.
Its not something he can do continuously.
Again this is based on screen feats.
Originally posted by Inhuman
To keep it short...Yes, based on screen feats Ozy can move at or close to bullet time with anticipation.
BUT it puts great strain on him and leaves him open while recovering from the feat.
Its not something he can do continuously.
Again this is based on screen feats.
Are you about to start the hand ko argument again 😆
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