Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
This thread is going to go nowhere IMO, because people are always going to be inclined to give their favourites the edge... well, nowhere other than some bizarre form of match making? 😕
While true, I am still curious how you would rank them VD? We don't need to have a discussion about it at all, I'm just curious how you see it.
Well, thing with something like this is it really is impossible to give a 100% accurate list, because none of these guys have the exact same stat levels either. So you kind of have to take into account that someone like Daredevil or Cap is going to have greater natural capability for things like acrobatics, compared to someone like Baleman, who doesn't have Cap's stats or Matt's perfect balance/equilibrium (by virtue of his super hearing).
Also, are these the movie version of DD & Elektra, considering you included Bullseye as well?
Yes Bud, it's all version can be included. Series and Movies. I figure, why not 😖hrug:
I also understand what you're saying about how it's hard to rank them. It is, and I find it difficult myself to be honest. Especially when it comes to characters like BW.. she doesn't have the stats of others, and that hurts her. So if you view h2h skill as in who would win against who, well she suffers under such straight h2h skill test. However, if you picture everybody with the same stats, and it purely comes down to "skills" who would win. That seems different and like BW would do much better. Which also lame, because that's nerfing everybody kind of, and making them not really them. Anyways, yeah.. it's hard. lol
Yeah, honestly, if you gave Widow SS and gave her like a month to adapt, she would be a total monster, as someone else also remarked in another thread. Her lack of strength compared to her male rivals does her injustice.
But eh, difference between series and movies though is that there is some disparities in ability. Like I would say Movie DD has a notable strength edge over the Netflix version (but is also a lot more susceptible to sensory overload), and movie Elektra totally shits all over the the new one. If you made a movie Elektra vs Netflix version thread, the movie version would stomp hard IMO.
Originally posted by 0mega SpawnYou have to by feats and comparisons but proclaiming some random level which means nothing is like saying Thors a god. Who cares. There isn't some power level everyone is paying attention to with these particular words.
How is describing his strength level in a term we all can understand irrelevant? Gtfoh
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, honestly, if you gave Widow SS and gave her like a month to adapt, she would be a total monster, as someone else also remarked in another thread. Her lack of strength compared to her male rivals does her injustice.But eh, difference between series and movies though is that there is some disparities in ability. Like I would say Movie DD has a notable strength edge over the Netflix version (but is also a lot more susceptible to sensory overload), and movie Elektra totally shits all over the the new one. If you made a movie Elektra vs Netflix version thread, the movie version would stomp hard IMO.
Agreed with most everything here. I would just take the best versions of each and see how you end up. It's not easy, but try and see what you can come up with
I've looked at feats for these guys, and it still isn't much easier. But can have a try at least.
Daredevil, going with the newer version, is quite good in terms of pure skill. If you look at his fights, you can see bits of boxing, karate, muay thai, wrestling, jiujitsu etc. mixed together in such a manner as to create a fluid and effective fighting style, which to me is a mark of a very talented fighter.
Cap and Bucky are also both quite skilled, but I would give Cap an edge there, based on the results of their fights. Cap displays knowledge of various submissions and grappling techniques, as well as training in fighting against knives etc. and more exotic moves like various more elaborate kicks and things. We also see him take down the like 9 out of the 10 SHIELD/HYDRA agents in the elevator scene with precision throat strikes etc. while barely getting touched by anyone. Winter Soldier was able to match him closely, but in the end Cap beat him via submission and a chokehold, rather than brute force, so he outskilled him.
Ozy also displayed a number of actual different counters, reversals, takedowns etc. in his fights, indicating clear martial arts knowledge.
Widow has always been portrayed as being exceptionally skilled as well, but tends to require gadgets to take down tougher guys, due to her lack of brute strength. But she is definitely up there.
So to those, I would say Cap, Ozy, Widow and latest Daredevil have close enough levels in skill that stat differences would be a massive tipping point, and that picking the top dog there would be as much personal opinion as anything else. Winter Soldier is also very very close.
Post "death" Elektra I hold above Bullseye. She was still kind of a noob when he took her out, and he got his ass beaten in the end by a Daredevil who wasn't even in 100% shape. She had decent levels of skill, but she also seemed to have straight up inhuman stats, so hard to gauge how she'd stack up. Improvements in fight choreography over the last decade or so also makes it harder.
Nite Owl I consider above anyone in the Nolan verse but, at the end of the day, he only ever beat some thugs and prisoners. He displayed a lot of strength and decent damage soak, but not as much skill as other people in this thread, considering the only skilled opponent he ever fought made him look like a fool.
Baleman and Catwoman are at the bottom. Baleman struggled hard every single time he fought a noteworthy opponent, and Catwoman didn't appear to be above him.
But again, these are just my personal opinions based on my memory of all their feats, and my best estimates as to how their varying physical stats affect their showings. I can't really claim any of this as concrete fact, nor tell anyone who might disagree that they are conclusively incorrect.