Darth Maul and Savage Opress vs Revan and Darth Malak

Started by S_W_LeGenD6 pages

Originally posted by ILS
Okay? Plo Koon was accoladed as one of the most powerful Jedi ever, and Savage kicked his ass despite Plo being aided by a group of clone troopers.

Details please.

Darth Malak >> Plo Koon by the way

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Details please.

Darth Malak >> Plo Koon by the way

In The Sith Hunters comic book.

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They have equivalent accolades. Why else would Malak be far superior to Plo? 🙂

Because LeGenD said so.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Because LeGenD said so.
It occurred to Legend that the primary source of evidence for Malak being >> Savage is accolades. I wonder how he's going to reconcile the fact Malak has the same accolade as someone Savage whipped the ass of.

Malak wouldn't even be caught in the same era as that PT scrub.

Originally posted by ILS
In The Sith Hunters comic book.

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Thanks for sharing.

I see both Darth Maul and Savage Opress there. It's difficult to determine how the events unfolded from these scans. They make it clear that the brothers defeated the Jedi, but to me - Darth Maul appears to be doing most work.

Originally posted by ILS
They have equivalent accolades. Why else would Malak be far superior to Plo? 🙂

Plo Koon could be at 200th position and still be counted among the strongest Jedi.

Darth Malak is counted among the "very best" of Sith. An opponent lesser then Revan could not defeat him.

It's not just the hype factor; Darth Malak became a master of the Dark Side and his powers and skills are more then enough for opponents like Savage Opress. Its a shame that we don't have novels written for Darth Malak and neither he have been depicted in big-budget mediums.

>an opponent lesser than Revan could not defeat him
> that's why Revan did it multiple times, while Malak was amped and after Revan went through an army and Bastila three times

I'd like to go through Bastila three times too.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Thanks for sharing.

I see both Darth Maul and Savage Opress there. It's difficult to determine how the events unfolded from these scans. They make it clear that the brothers defeated the Jedi, but to me - Darth Maul appears to be doing most work.

Maul never fought Koon.

Let's not forget Savage has also battered another Council Member in Adi Gallia, and also Ventress who is easily a match for most Council Members.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I'd like to go through Bastila three times too.

It's not nearly as satisfying as it sounds.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
>an opponent lesser than Revan could not defeat him
> that's why Revan did it multiple times, while Malak was amped and after Revan went through an army and Bastila three times

Author's perspective and official information carry more weight then your assumptions.

Confrontations between Revan and Darth Malak have always been described as being fierce, vicious and desperate irrespective of the setting and circumstances involved.

Revelations for confrontation on the Star Forge:

Revan then confronted Darth Malak himself in a fierce duel, but Revan prevailed and finally defeated Darth Malak.

From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

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It is a period of uncertainty across the galaxy. After a long and vicious battle in the deepest area of the Star Forge, Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Revan succeeds in destroying his ex-apprentice Darth Malak. After recovering from the duel, Revan seeks out the secret dark outposts...

From Chronicles of the Old Republic

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"...that [Star Forge] battle would have been a brutal, hard fought affair spread over multiple pages." (Drew Karpyshyn)

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Earlier battles were also hard fought and intense. Stopping Darth Malak was an extremely difficult task.

I like how none of that actually addressed my point.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I like how none of that actually addressed my point.

Not Jedi was powerful enough to stop Darth Malak with the exception of Revan. Do you disagree?

Maybe that's an indication of how weak the Jedi order of that era was. 💃

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not Jedi was powerful enough to stop Darth Malak with the exception of Revan. Do you disagree?

Sure. That still has **** all to do with anything I said.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Sure. That still has **** all to do with anything I said.

How about you clarify your point instead of offering riddles?

A number of quotes depict the Jedi of the KotOR era as being in their prime. I'll direct you now to a number of quotes from the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide. To avoid the annoyance of typing out the quotes and making my post an absolute eyesore to read, I've taken the following scans from DarthAnt66's blog at the following link - http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/darthant66/blog/kotor-era-is-the-prime-of-the-jedi/95277/

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]Thanks for sharing.

I see both Darth Maul and Savage Opress there. It's difficult to determine how the events unfolded from these scans. They make it clear that the brothers defeated the Jedi, but to me - Darth Maul appears to be doing most work.

Maul fought Bruu-Jun Fan and Ko Solok, Savage fought Plo Koon and clone troops. Two separate fights.
Plo Koon could be at 200th position and still be counted among the strongest Jedi.

Darth Malak is counted among the "very best" of Sith.

Not seeing your point. The phrasing in Malak's quote was that he was among the "most powerful" Sith, the phrasing in Koon's was "one of the most powerful Jedi ever". There's no difference in impressiveness.
An opponent lesser then Revan could not defeat him.
According to you.
It's not just the hype factor; Darth Malak became a master of the Dark Side and his powers and skills are more then enough for opponents like Savage Opress. Its a shame that we don't have novels written for Darth Malak and neither he have been depicted in big-budget mediums.
Plenty of people have been called "masters" of the Force, Savage included. I'm still not seeing your point.

You don't need to be as strong as Revan to defeat Malak. The point was obvious.

Originally posted by ILS
Maul fought Bruu-Jun Fan and Ko Solok, Savage fought Plo Koon and clone troops. Two separate fights.

Thanks for clarifying.

Well, Plo Koon sucks in canon then. Not impressed.

Originally posted by ILS
Not seeing your point. The phrasing in Malak's quote was that he was among the "most powerful" Sith, the phrasing in Koon's was "one of the most powerful Jedi ever". There's no difference in impressiveness.

Darth Malak was also the ruler of an Empire. He had to prove his mettle time and again to maintain his throne.

Plo Koon, being a Jedi, wouldn't be tested like an Emperor would be.

Originally posted by ILS
According to you.

If he was giving Revan migraines then how would a lesser Jedi cope with him?

Originally posted by ILS
Plenty of people have been called "masters" of the Force, Savage included. I'm still not seeing your point.

Which source recognizes Savage Opress as a master of the Force?