Nice job at selectively responding to things. Apparently Anakin never told her "hey, if that Dooku guy points his hand at you, he's about to blast purple lightning out of his fingertips. Don't worry though, all you gotta do is hold your lightsaber in front of you. Any idiot could figure that out."
Then again I've never seen you get laid before; this obviously has never happened, going by your own logic.
> text in quote I provided on page 2 says lightning was unknown to Jedi=Anakin in AOTC getting ko'ed by it as a result
> Kenobi learns to use the force/to catch it on his saber as a result of Anakin's first encounter with it.
Its almost like I have a basis for my arguments, and you have nothing and are butthurt.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
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2. Even if it were true that none of the Jedi knew what Force lightning was as of AotC, Ahsoka by Rebels sure has f*ck does, given that her master had encountered it firsthand multiple times, knew Ahsoka might run into Dooku, and would have taken the eight seconds needed to say "hold out your lightsaber."
3. Even if that were incorrect for some asinine reason, if Dooku holds his hands out and Ahsoka's precog warns her of an imminent attack, holding her lightsaber out would be her intuitive reaction. That Anakin was charging like a dumb idiot doesn't mean an older, wiser Ahsoka would.
Seriously, the notion that Ahsoka wouldn't have even known of the existence of Force lightning, like Anakin and Obi Wan were conspiring to keep it hidden from her, is absurd and I do wonder if you're trying to troll.
Holy **** its almost like Luke's precognition didn't kick in at 2:38 to help Luke from getting owned by Sidious's lightning in this clip and prevented Luke from intuitive reaction or something? Obviously Kenobi had experienced Dooku's lightning multiple times, but obviously Luke must've just forgot what Kenobi might've told him in a conversation or maybe his intuitive reactions didn't kick in time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ_j3s5xj8I
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah cause obviously Luke talked to Obi Wan for just as long as Ahsoka talked with Anakin...
Obviously its far more likely Kenobi may have talked to Luke about Sidious's lightning because he encountered it multiple times. Its not like Luke was never aware of lightning in the first place or something unlikely due to Kenobi's dilligence, you can't prove me wrong!
Originally posted by carthageI'd hardly call that experience, more like forewarning. It's really not possible to learn anything from seeing your partner fail to deal with a power you yourself have never seen before, other than to be more prepared when that power is turned upon you.
Kenobi learned to deflect lightning when Anakin was taken out by Dooku's lightning, I posted the quotes. Also Kao likely learned to deflect lightning in a similar fashion seeing as of 3:07 in the Return trailer we see Satele get sent flying by Vindican's lightning, Kao could've very well used the same method of learning as Kenobi did. Obviously they had to have seen it happen to their student, derp.Kao and Anakin both saw lightning when their students were hit by it, obviously using their sabers to deflect it. Experience=their knowledge to deflect it.
So Kenobi and Darach were able to anticipate and react to Force lightning given forewarning of its use, enabling them to apply abilities they already possessed to deflect it, why would it be any different for Ahsoka here?
You say that Force lightning would remain unknown to the Jedi, despite the reemergence of the Sith, despite Dooku's repeated use of it (specifically against Ahsoka's master, whose job it is to impart all the knowledge he can to) despite it being referenced in the Jedi Path, a book Ahsoka has read, and despite Windu, who has no experience of lightning, having the foresight to raise his saber to deflect Palpatine's use it. Sorry, but I don't find that argument very convincing.
Ahsoka has the precognitive powers to anticipate such an attack, and she is not at all as brash and unthinking as Anakin was in AotC, so why wouldn't she just raise her sabers and block it?
Skywalker was calling fully on his potential in his prior duel in ROTS, in TCW under normal circumstances Dooku has fought him off as per usualIsn't this the second time I'd told you Anakin became "vastly" more powerful since TCW? Nor was he calling on his "full potential", that's baseless, he was merely tapping in to the dark side.
Regardless Dooku was being exhausted by his attacks before Anakin even did that, goodness have you even read the RotS novel?
That has nothing to do with the fact he generally removes Kenobi with the force instead of outdueling him. Luke also has no defense against lightning or telekinetic attacks, try to keep up here. Luke doesn't normally use his overwhelming force power to beat down guards, the situation with Vader was a unique one.Of course it does, Dooku's telekinetic and FL abilities are irrelevant if he's unable to apply them in combat, and he's going to be too pressed by Luke in sabers to really do that.
And lmao, he wields Djem So, the staple of which is using an overpowering offense to batter through an opponent's guard, a technique Dooku admits he is highly vulnerable to. The only reason he didn't achieve that against Vader was because they were equally matched.
Regardless, he actually does drive Vader back in this manner on Bespin, so you'd be wrong.
Because a strict saber duel between Vader and Luke totally disproves the notion Vader wouldnt've oneshot Luke with telekinesis, right? Lol. Force augmentation and force defenses are two completely different thingsI don't believe that was my point. Force defences are determined by power in the Force. Luke matching Vader in Force augmentation demonstrates power in the Force exceeding the likes of Kenobi, Sora Bulq and frankly anyone Dooku as ever beaten.
So the idea he could rekt Luke Skywalker with his powers is both baseless and silly. Especially when Luke's offense is going to leave his Force reserves depleted on top of this.
Dooku also uses lightning which Luke in the film got downed by. Try againWhen he had no lightsaber to defend himself with. 😬
That said according to both the script and novel Luke was able to in part deflect that lightning with tutaminis, something it's said only the most powerful masters could accomplish, which if anything indicates blocking an infinitely weaker strain with his saber is well within his abilities.
Originally posted by carthage
Holy **** its almost like Luke's precognition didn't kick in at 2:38 to help Luke from getting owned by Sidious's lightning in this clip and prevented Luke from intuitive reaction or something?
WTF does that have to do with whether he knows tutanimus (which the novel and script both say he does)? We're debating how widespread knowledge of sith lightning is, not whether Luke's reflexes compare to Palpatine's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DI8kkR9G0Q
0:35 - omg Yoda doesn't block Sidious's Force lightning, haha weakling doesn't know what it is, I bet Bane could kill him. 🙄
The canon movie-novel has settled this issue; you're trying really hard to lowball Ahsoka here Bane-style, and failing horribly at it.
Obviously its far more likely Kenobi may have talked to Luke about Sidious's lightning because he encountered it multiple times. Its not like Luke was never aware of lightning in the first place or something unlikely due to Kenobi's dilligence, you can't prove me wrong!
Yeah, because it's totally just as likely that Obi Wan would have taught a guy who hadn't learned telekinesis yet about Force lightning in the few hours of a trip to Alderaan, as it is for Anakin to teach a full fledged padawan who was eventually offered the title of Jedi Knight in the several years they were fighting a galactic war against the Dark Lord of the Sith. 🙄 You know, just like how Yoda and Mace Windu were both able to defend against Force lightning. But clearly, Anakin getting blindsided by it at the very beginning of the Clone Wars means that he never bothered to tell Ahsoka about it.
But if you're going to go down this route, you really need to alter your view of Bane. After all, you claimed in that gauntlet thread that he'd lose to Kanan. Obviously he wouldn't, since he could just one-shot him with Force lightning. I bet he could one-shot Abeloth too, since she had never fought a sith before. Don't forget about The Daughter! 😆
You possess the intellectual abilities of a mentally disabled person, but invoke none of the empathy. Even basic epistemology eludes your feeble mind, so you vaguely respond to arguments by repeating yourself and ignoring all of the sub points and contentions embedded in what you're responding to. The idea that evidence can be inferred, and is indeed in these minor areas like modern science and forensics, contains too many polysyllabic words for you to understand. You really shouldn't be allowed to vote.
JK you're right, Leia totally can't pee because we've never seen her do it!
Ahsoka's clearly the weak link here. Team 2 takes in in a tough fight. If Luke and Ahsoka take down Maul before Ahsoka gets dropped, there's a possibility that the Jedi pair can bring down Dooku together. But as is, I find it more likely that Ahsoka goes down first, and then the two Sith team up against Luke.