@MythLord
Did I assert that you did?
Then why mention it?
Look at my original post:
We are not talking about an ordinary structure here. Vitiate, in his weakest and most vulnerable form, managed to collapse an entire chamber of the Dark Temple in an effort to crush HoT beneath tons of rock but the Jedi somehow escaped.
Comprehension problems, my friend?
Really? Well maybe that's because they were fighting in a chamber that held the structure's balance. I legitimately do not even care if it compromised the integrity, since all he did was bring down a single room.
1. Possible.
2. Calling it a single room is misleading. Ever seen rooms that big? Hall is appropriate word.
So because it's big, it must be durable? It seems to have cracks and holes in it, so maybe it isn't that stable?
You look at the composition and mass of the structure to figure out how durable it is.
If the walls of Dark Temple are like 10 feet thick on average, they will be much harder to breach. Have a look: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/9/9d/Dark_Temple_Holonet.png/revision/latest?cb=20130303060951
Even the inner walls are like 10 feet across on average.
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Those cracks imply that efforts were made to breach the structure at some point but failed.
Cool; both Vitiate and HoT breached the Temple's defenses, so I have no idea what you're on about, or how this is relevant to it's durability.
Only Vitiate
I don't care what happens in a non-canon cutscene where a sub-Kenobi tier Jedi, on a DS nexus that hindered him, after just fighting the MVP Sith of the time, has trouble pulling down a massive object. If anything, that makes HoT look pathetic when an untrained Asajj can bring down massive stalagtites easily:
There is no such thing as canon or non-canon cut-scenes in SWTOR. All cut-scenes are official and represent possibilities.
That cut-scene reveals how difficult it is to breach even a segment of the Dark Temple. As I pointed out to you earlier, Dark Temple was intended to be prison for the greatest threats to the Emperor and the galaxy. A normal structure would not be sufficient for containing such threats. Common sense.
Hero of Tython (HoT) was sub-Kenobi TIER Jedi? 🙄
HoT was stronger than any Jedi in the galaxy at that point. Stronger than Satele Shan, Barsen'thor III, Jaric Kaedan, Tol Braga and Wyellett - all of whom have showings on par with (and superior) to those of Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Moreover, some Jedi developed abilities to shrug-off effects of a powerful Dark Side environment. Due to this reason, they were able to cope with difficult challenges in such environments. Look no further then the examples of Meetra Surik and Revan.
Those showings of Asajj Ventress are not comparable, at all. She would not be able to breach a segment of the Dark Temple even in her prime years. Hero of Tython have similar showings years much earlier in the game.
Hero of Tython was performing Jedi Master TIER feats years before his prime (affirmed in conversations). His superiority is also evident from the observation that he came across and defeated opponents much stronger than Asajj Ventress during his exploits.
Some feats of Barsen'thor III years before her prime:
HoT - during Act III - was well beyond the aforementioned showings. Stronger than any Jedi in the galaxy. Don't be a fool.
Dooku collapsed enough of it for it to take Tholme, one of the most powerful Jedi at the time, days to remove the debris rock-by-rock. So obviously, Dooku collapsed a massive quantity of rocks.And what's even better is he did it instantly, whereas Vitiate had to collapse it portion-by-portion; not just bring down the whole structure in one easy swoop. It should also be noted the structure dwarfed Tyranus, Bulq and Tholme in size similarly to how the santcum dwarfed HoT and Vitiate:
Those images leave it to our judgement. The side pillars were clearly standing after the deed, so Count Dooku pulled down segments of the ceiling, enough to crush Tholme beneath dozens of rocks. How much of it - is ambiguous.
Tholme took that much time because he was injured and trapped beneath the rubble. In contrast, Hope Darth Malgus, in similar situation, blew apart tons of debris in a span of 2 seconds. HoT would be definitely stronger than Hope Darth Malgus.
The fact that it wasn't a normal structure, but an alchemically enhanced one means little, since Vitiate was amplified by a nexus. Sure, Vitiate's feat is better -- to that I concede -- but Dooku's is comparable and Skywalker's blows it out of the water.
How would Vitiate be amplified by the nexus environment when he lost much of his strength due to earlier developments? You are making no sense in your assumptions.
Well, keeping in mind this is a teenage Maul, who wasn't yet fully trained, and had been surpressing his Force powers... it's a comparable feat to say the least. And the Academy is large enough to house at least five hundred people:"He decided that he would miss Daleen and Kilindi, and Trezza especially. But he accepted that their deaths were essential to Darth Sidious’ plan -- a Grand Plan, in which Maul was now an accomplice. At any given moment there could be as many as five hundred beings at the academy, and he wrestled with ideas for ensuring that all of them died."
-- Darth Maul: Restraint
And it was used for Trezza to train assassins, merceneries, spies, professional fighters and several other operatives(which impressed Sidious no less, IIRC):
"The Falleen had been silent during the return trip from the high valley, releasing pheromones meant to pacify Maul, even though he was largely immune to their effects. Nearing two hundred standard years, Trezza had spent half his life training mercenaries and paramilitaries for planetary governments throughout the Republic -- not to mention supplying professional combatants for the Petranaki Arena on Geonosis and the Cauldron on Rattatak, and forging assassins and intelligence agents for royal houses and criminal cartels alike. An even more skilled fighter than Meltch, he was also the closest Maul had to a protector-- in the ordinary world."
-- Darth Maul: Restraint
I doubt he'd use any run-of-the-mill hut.
It doesn't have to a run-of-the-mill Hut to be much less durable than the Dark Temple. Like I said, most buildings do not match the durability of Dark Temple.
Let us put it in this manner:
We have a Main Battle Tank and a Bus. Which would be harder to destroy?
Yeah, he collapsed the entire chamber: portion-by-portion. Dooku and Maul can do that on their worst days.
And you continue to miss the point.
1. Vitiate had lost much of his strength at that point.
2. Dark Temple is an extraordinarily durable structure. Even the strongest Jedi would find it challenging to breach its defenses and walls.
Yes... as if deep sources of Dark Side power that notably amplify lesser Sith made any difference in a showing of Dark Side power... I mean, it's almost as if I'm applying logic. laughing out loud
You are as clueless as one can be about the events in question.
The environment can be beneficial under the right circumstances. Not when the Force-user has lost much of his strength and on the deathbed.
Get your facts straight first.
I've countered this above. But you, on the other hand, have yet to give me evidence for one thing: why is this more impressive, or even comparable to Luke collapsing a Dark Side empowered, mountain-sized citadel with ease, decades pre-prime? Not only did Luke do it with greater ease, with more disadvantageous factors, and did a far more complicated job later of rebuilding and scattering it across the planet, but the showing itself is more impressive when taken at face-value.I don't care if you wanna argue Vitiate is an extremely powerful Sith for doing this -- he is -- but how is it in any way comparable to Luke's feat? That is what I want to know.
I do not recall comparing the two showings.
Vitiate's showing (in question) is one of his lowest. Still more impressive than majority of TK-related showings. My intention is to address your misconceptions regarding Vitiate's showing. Nothing else.
As for the citadel that Luke Skywalker affected; it was located on a peak. It wasn't as large as a mountain. You might have misread the text.
