That 'decrepit old man' can maintain telepathic communication with thousands of Jedi at once, without any physical strain. Oh and it wasn't a telekinetic attack, Odan-Urr tried to sever Kun's connection to the Force but Kun was presumably too powerful, then Kun one-shots him, on a nexus of light side energy at that.
He was of course pre-prime at this point as well.
Originally posted by AncientPower
That 'decrepit old man' can maintain telepathic communication with thousands of Jedi at once, without any physical strain. Oh and it wasn't a telekinetic attack, Odan-Urr tried to sever Kun's connection to the Force but Kun was presumably too powerful, then Kun one-shots him, on a nexus of light side energy at that.He was of course pre-prime at this point as well.
They are both displays of prowess on the same nexus, so it applying to the former isn't relevant in the first place. Him being old isn't being disputed, the implication that he's some decrepit weak old man and that somehow downrates Kun is being disputed.
It isn't telekinesis, he rebukes him with Sever Force, catching Kun off guard with his sudden attack and it fails, reading the fight might help you out here.
Originally posted by ares834
What source? It better not have been an in-universe source like the TOR encyclopedia. And what was the exact quote?
Karness Muur is implied to be more then a match for Darth Vader in an official source, FYI.
Do the math via power-scaling.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate had surpassed the likes of Karness Muur, Tulak Hord and Marka Ragnos in raw power right after the Nathema event (centuries before the era of Revan).
Citation needed.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Karness Muur is implied to be more then a match for Darth Vader in an official source, FYI.Do the math via power-scaling.
Not sure how this is relevant? We are talking Exar Kun here, not Vader. And it was Celeste Morne and Muur together that were implied by Muur to be able to defeat Vader. Of course, Muur isn’t exactly an unbiased source.
Vader thought to himself that using the Muur Talisman to defeat Sidious ( Muur + Sidious ) would be like trading one master for another but I don't know if that's in reference to Muur being more powerful at the time or simply the corrupting influence of the Talisman. It could also have been Vader underestimating Sidious.
@ares834
Quoting system not working for me at the moment. Your responses will be addressed in normal quoting manner therefore.
Citation needed.
"Lord Vitiate sacrificed millions, stealing their life force to make himself immortal. Their deaths also made him stronger than any Sith who had come before, and he ceased to be known as Lord Vitiate. On that day, the Emperor was truly born." (Darth Nyriss)
Not sure how this is relevant? We are talking Exar Kun here, not Vader. And it was Celeste Morne and Muur together that were implied by Muur to be able to defeat Vader. Of course, Muur isn’t exactly an unbiased source.
Moreover, it is also implied that Darth Vader (with Karness Muur bind to him), would be enough to take on Palpatine. But this would be like trading one master for another.
Also, you seem to have lost track of the argument. We were talking about Vitiate.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
@ares834Quoting system not working for me at the moment. Your responses will be addressed in normal quoting manner therefore.
Here:
"Lord Vitiate sacrificed millions, stealing their life force to make himself immortal. Their deaths also made him stronger than any Sith who had come before, and he ceased to be known as Lord Vitiate. On that day, the Emperor was truly born." (Darth Nyriss)
So an in-universe and fallible source just as I predicted. And one who presumably knows very little of Exar Kun, if she knows anything at all.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No! Karness Muur is implied to be Darth Vader's superior on individual basis. Celeste Morne wouldn't have made much difference.Same source implies that Darth Vader (with Karness Muur bind to him), would be enough to take on Palpatine. But this would be like trading one master for another.
That really doesn’t mean Muur is more powerful either. It’s likely talking about the talisman gaining influence over him. Otherwise, all he has to do to “defeat” Muur is throw it in a star or something.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Also, you seem to have lost track of the argument. We were talking about Vitiate.
Uh… No, I know exactly what we are talking about. We were comparing Exar Kun to Vitiate. But then you brought up Vader for some reason.
So an in-universe and fallible source just as I predicted. And one who presumably knows very little of Exar Kun, if she knows anything at all.
Why would Darth Nyriss know very little of Exar Kun? He became well-known throughout the galaxy. She had knowledge of Revan as well.
That really doesn’t mean Muur is more powerful either. It’s likely talking about the talisman gaining influence over him. Otherwise, all he has to do to “defeat” Muur is throw it in a star or something.
She doesn't have the strength to stop Darth Vader. But Karness Muur does.
Talisman is just a means through which Karness Muur is called upon to take control of the host and unleash his powers.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Star Wars based sources are in-universe by default unless stated otherwise. Your nitpicking is useless.
Uh, no they’re not. Sorry you don't have a definitive absolute stament that Vitiate is greater. Something Exar, by contrast, actually has.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Why would Darth Nyriss know very little of Exar Kun? He became well-known throughout the galaxy. She had knowledge of Revan as well.
Because they were cut off from the rest of the galaxy? And Revan actually came into contact with the Empire so…
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are not focusing on the context of revelation. It is pretty obvious.She doesn't have the strength to stop Darth Vader. But Karness Muur does.
Talisman is just a means through which Karness Muur is called upon to take control of the host and unleash his powers.
And had you actually read the comic you would realize she did this by turning Stormtroopers into Rakghouls not by being more powerful or a greater combatant than Vader.