Starkiller discussion

Sidious is incapable of dying? Or at least, Galan perfectly understands that Sidious is incapable of dying? It's impossible for Galan to not force a direct one v one confrontation? "My equal" doesn't indeed implicate equality?

It implicates that he would gained the mantle of Emperor after defeating him thus becoming his "equal." Why would he pass his mantle on to somebody less powerful then himself?

Maul had the potential to be more powerful than Sidious too. It really isn't as great an accolade as you think it is.

Can I get the quote for that? I wouldn't be surprised given how powerful Maul was after having half of his potential removed in TPM.

Maul wa an actual apprentice to Sidious before Anakin even existed. He oviously was meant to be his successor. And what the hell are you talking about? It's number of midichlorians per cell, not the number of cells you have. Otherwise, Yoda wouldn't be the most powerful Jedi in the Order.

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It's stated in the Plagueis novel that Plagueis while thinking Maul was skilled did not view him as an adequate successor in the RoT line so unless you have your own source supporting your theory...

Midiclorians per cell. If somebody has 20,000 per cell then the total amount of midichlorians they have is determined by the number of midichlorians per cell times the amount of cells you have. It wouldn't make sense that Anakin lost potential after losing his limbs if it wasn't the overall amount of midichlorians you had that determined your potential.

Originally posted by Syndicate
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It's stated in the Plagueis novel that Plagueis while thinking Maul was skilled did not view him as an adequate successor in the RoT line so unless you have your own source supporting your theory...

Midiclorians per cell. If somebody has 20,000 per cell then the total amount of midichlorians they have is determined by the number of midichlorians per cell times the amount of cells you have. It wouldn't make sense that Anakin lost potential after losing his limbs if it wasn't the overall amount of midichlorians you had that determined your potential.

He's basically Kyp Durron, except he doesn't suck.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Where exactly in the novel is this stated? Regardless,
From Force and Destiny doesn't even have Maul and Plagueis overlap, and it is the newer source.

You know unless he had some major impairments like self loathing and hate, being a cripple and constantly in agony, having mechanical lungs, etc. Not to mention to you completely ignore the statement about Yoda, who doesn't have 20,000 midichlorians per cell, has much less cells than most Jedi, and is still the most powerful.

So you think that Vader's limitations in the EU were mental? I didn't answer because I thought it would be obvious. Yoda simply has a greater amount of midichlorians per cell.

That passage doesn't saying anything about Maul being unworthy, kek.

Except he doesn't because 20,000 per cell is higher than Yoda's, as clearly stated in the movie. That is why Anakin was a big deal. It obviously wasn't as obvious as you believed.

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"I appreciate that you trained him to be a fighting machine rather then a true apprentice."

Anakin doesn't have 20,000 midichlorians per cell. He has over 20,000 midichlorians per cell which is above Yoda's which is also unknown.

I'm not talking about Yoda and Anakin comparatively. I'm talking about Yoda in relation to the rest of the Jedi. Anakin's obviously got more potential then him.

Also you didn't answer my question about Vader.

Originally posted by Syndicate
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"I appreciate that you trained him to be a fighting machine rather then a true apprentice."

Anakin doesn't have 20,000 midichlorians per cell. He has over 20,000 midichlorians per cell which is above Yoda's which is also unknown.

I'm not talking about Yoda and Anakin comparatively. I'm talking about Yoda in relation to the rest of the Jedi. Anakin's obviously got more potential then him.

Also you didn't answer my question about Vader.

Glad to know you're an official source that can confirm what a character's intentions were or were not.

It may or may not be. It really doesn't matter.

He had more per cell AND more overall.

So you do think it was Vader's mental state that held him back. Well cool opinion friend but given its stated that Vader's injuries hamper his potential I'm going to stick with that.

IIRC, Sidious states in Jedi vs Sith Essential Guide to the Force that Maul was basically just a place holder apprentice.

Edit: Also, for what it's worth:

"And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

Lucas flat out says Maul (as well as Dooku and suited Vader) aren't as potentially powerful as Palpatine.

U da man.

Slightly below Vader.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Maul had the potential to be more powerful than Sidious too. It really isn't as great an accolade as you think it is.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Maul wa an actual apprentice to Sidious before Anakin even existed. He oviously was meant to be his successor. And what the hell are you talking about? It's number of midichlorians per cell, not the number of cells you have. Otherwise, Yoda wouldn't be the most powerful Jedi in the Order.

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Might not have had higher potential though. But must have been similar for him to spend so much time on training Maul.

Originally posted by ares834

Lucas flat out says Maul (as well as Dooku and suited Vader) aren't as potentially powerful as Palpatine.

That's Palpatine looking for someone potentially more powerful than himself. Doesn't mean Maul or Dooku couldn't have had similar potential to Palpatine. Remember Palpatine's knowledge of the Dark Side outstrips Maul and Dooku's by a massive amount.

Dooku definitely didn't have comparable potential, lol. He was older than Palpatine and had spent more time learning the ways of the Force and was still nowhere near as powerful.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Dooku definitely didn't have comparable potential, lol. He was older than Palpatine and had spent more time learning the ways of the Force and was still nowhere near as powerful.

Doesn't matter if Dooku didn't have the same knowledge of the dark side that Sidious had. In which case Dooku's extra age would only hinder him in comparison to Palpatine.

Remember Sidious only killed Plagueis after he learned everything Plagueis knew. Maul and Dooku never learned everything Palpatine knew. Probably not even close to his full knowledge.

What are you talking about? The stronger you are in the dark side, the quicker your body decays.

Right, and even that version of Sidious in TPM was more powerful than Dooku by a very considerable margin. It's blatantly obvious that Sidious has far more potential.