Starkiller discussion

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Originally posted by ares834
The Clone Wars obviously. And considering how quickly Maul managed to create his own army without the support of Sidious, it seems like he would have been more than able to do so.
Agreed. That said, are you disagreeing that Maul could keep the Sith's ball rolling if Sidious died, or that he was meant to become more powerful than Sidious?

Just curious.

The latter. Of course, if Palpatine dies prior to executing Order 66, I don't think there is much Maul could do to win unless Palaptine left safe guards in case of his death.

I have no idea what people are on about. Palpatine considered Maul's potential valuable enough that he made an enemy of one of his peers (Talzin) to get his hands on him.

Originally posted by ares834
The Clone Wars obviously. And considering how quickly Maul managed to create his own army without the support of Sidious, it seems like he would have been more than able to do so.

Sure, Maul's a good leader, and he can bring together goons, but he's not exactly the kind of guy you recruit for face alone, especially not as a child.

Originally posted by ares834
The latter. Of course, if Palpatine dies prior to executing Order 66, I don't think there is much Maul could do to win unless Palaptine left safe guards in case of his death.
I wouldn't put it past him.
Palpatine considered Maul's potential valuable enough that he made an enemy of one of his peers (Talzin) to get his hands on him.
Good point. 😮‍💨

I won't be able to respond to anything in this thread for the next 2 days. It turns out I only have 2 days to finish an essay I thought I had 9 days to do.

Originally posted by Syndicate
And that's fine, I agree he chooses the best option available to him. It doesn't have any bearing on their measurable power.

Quote?

Will have to go back to the novel, but it was made pretty clear how badly Starkiller was struggling to defeat Vader. He just couldn't do it. And Vader was about to defeat him with the high ground IIRC but then Starkiller "won" by shooting Lightning in the hole in the armour Juno made earlier.

Also Witwer explained the plot of TFU3 would have been. And it was that Vader got caught on purpose in TFU2 and he was going to put Starkiller in his place. And no that wasn't "his opinion". He was just stating what the plot was going to be for Part 3.

He was at an impasse or at the very least knew he could not defeat Vader before Juno died, yes. That's why he attempted the desperate move he did watch was ultimately successful.

Proof that Witwer was authorized to reveal the plot of a potential third insallment and that his statements were anything more then his own opinions?

Originally posted by Syndicate
He was at an impasse or at the very least knew he could not defeat Vader before Juno died, yes. That's why he attempted the desperate move he did watch was ultimately successful.

Right. He knew he could not defeat Vader. It was from his perspective. What did Vader know though?

And what was the desperate move again? How did he "defeat" Vader.

Originally posted by Syndicate

Proof that Witwer was authorized to reveal the plot of a potential third insallment and that his statements were anything more then his own opinions?

How the heck is telling us "what was going to happen in TFU3", which he was a bit hesitant if he should share or not in case they still make it, His OPINION?

Wait, so if Vader is that much more powerful than Starkiller in TFUII, how did he lose [presumably legitimately] in the original? Was Galen Marek more powerful than his clone, or did Vader improve?

The TFUII Novel states he underestimated Galen the first time and was more cautious battling him this time.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The TFUII Novel states he underestimated Galen the first time and was more cautious battling him this time.

That + Dun Möch. Also Starkiller had the odds stacked against him in TFU II.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Right. He knew he could not defeat Vader. It was from his perspective. What did Vader know though?

And what was the desperate move again? How did he "defeat" Vader.

How the heck is telling us "what was going to happen in TFU3", which he was a bit hesitant if he should share or not in case they still make it, His OPINION?

He thought to himself that he needed to put himself into an indefensible position to get Vader to lower his guard and then did so.

Because I find it highly unlikely that he was authorized to give away legitimate information on the potential sequel. Unless you have some inside information saying otherwise?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Wait, so if Vader is that much more powerful than Starkiller in TFUII, how did he lose [presumably legitimately] in the original? Was Galen Marek more powerful than his clone, or did Vader improve?

Vader did improve between TFU and TFUII. Vader is NOT more powerful then the Starkiller clone, he just had time on his side causing the clone to attempt a desperate move.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The TFUII Novel states he underestimated Galen the first time and was more cautious battling him this time.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
How the heck is telling us "what was going to happen in TFU3", which he was a bit hesitant if he should share or not in case they still make it, His OPINION?

Because if it isn't his opinion, Galen would actually..... LOSE. 🙁 🙁

Isn't it somewhere said that Vader's limits were more related to his psychological state rather than his physical one? Not sure.

That was Palpatine's belief. Can't remember the source off the top of my head though.

Source: Jensaarai, let's not lie.

In all seriousness I think it's in RoDV.

dammit