Starkiller discussion

Originally posted by Syndicate
Glad to know you're an official source that can confirm what a character's intentions were or were not.

It may or may not be. It really doesn't matter.

He had more per cell AND more overall.

So you do think it was Vader's mental state that held him back. Well cool opinion friend but given its stated that Vader's injuries hamper his potential I'm going to stick with that.

Originally posted by SunRazer
What are you talking about? The stronger you are in the dark side, the quicker your body decays.

Right, and even that version of Sidious in TPM was more powerful than Dooku by a very considerable margin. It's blatantly obvious that Sidious has far more potential.

So are you claiming Dooku had all the knowledge of the dark side Palpatine and Plaguies had?

My point is we can't know for sure Dooku didn't have a similar potential, until Dooku learns everything Sidious learned.

The fact that Maul and Dooku may have been place holders, doesn't mean Palpatine didn't consider them both to be his potential successor should things go wrong with Skywalker.

I'd say Starkiller's potential exceeds Yoda's. By how much, I don't know.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except we know Maul was an actual Sith apprentice. It's not some conjecture like what you're talking about below.

A great many things have more cells overall, and more magical space mitochondria at hand. That does not make you more powerful in the Force, otherwise all large animals would be Force Sensitive.

It's also stated Marek's clone, who is more powerful than him, was no match for Vader, let alone the Emperor, so don't stop there.

... ares already provided a host of other sources showing that Maul was not meant to be a true apprentice... I don't understand why this is so hard for you.

If you have more midichlorians per cell then you're usually going to supersede a larger creature with less. Also animals don't have the mental capacity to actively call upon the Force I'd imagine.

In the opinion of a voice actor when the narrative contradicts it.

Originally posted by Syndicate
... ares already provided a host of other sources showing that Maul was not meant to be a true apprentice... I don't understand why this is so hard for you.

The same source states that Suited Vader wasn't supposed to be either. But clearly Sidious doesn't choose his apprentices lightly, and will make the most out of the best apprentice he has available to him.

Originally posted by Syndicate
In the opinion of a voice actor when the narrative contradicts it.

The novel made it clear Starkiller II could not defeat Vader.

In the end he had to shoot Lightning in a spot of Vader's armor Juno cut for him.

Originally posted by Syndicate
... ares already provided a host of other sources showing that Maul was not meant to be a true apprentice...

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/obi-wan-vs-maul-read-1765585/#js-message-16188923

Originally posted by Syndicate
... ares already provided a host of other sources showing that Maul was not meant to be a true apprentice... I don't understand why this is so hard for you.

And so on, the novel you cited clearly said Plagueis was worried about what Sidious planned for Maul, which was to kill him, because that is what Sith do. Sidious only stopped caring when Anakin came into the picture.

If you have more midichlorians per cell then you're usually going to supersede a larger creature with less. Also animals don't have the mental capacity to actively call upon the Force I'd imagine.

In the opinion of a voice actor when the narrative contradicts it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The same source states that Suited Vader wasn't supposed to be either. But clearly Sidious doesn't choose his apprentices lightly, and will make the most out of the best apprentice he has available to him.

The novel made it clear Starkiller II could not defeat Vader.

In the end he had to shoot Lightning in a spot of Vader's armor Juno cut for him.

And that's fine, I agree he chooses the best option available to him. It doesn't have any bearing on their measurable power.

Quote?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/obi-wan-vs-maul-read-1765585/#js-message-16188923

Did I read "Unless the GM wishes to diverge from canon?"

Because if I did I'm assuming that quotes from a D&D sourcebook.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Luckily ILS is the biggest Maul wanker I know and has a respect thread you can google to show otherwise, a sample of which is above. But to convinece you:
When the fourteen days were over, Maul was exhausted. His entire body ached as he stood before Sidious in the meeting room. Not only had he passed every test, he had destroyed every test. However, his Master always expected more from him, so he was not entirely surprised when Sidious said, "Because you have survived the preliminaries, you may proceed to the actual test to become a Sith Lord."
"Unless the GM wishes to diverge from Star Wars canon, he should not allow characters to adopt this class. The only Sith Lords in The Phantom Menace are Darth Maul and Darth Sidious."

And so on, the novel you cited clearly said Plagueis was worried about what Sidious planned for Maul, which was to kill him, because that is what Sith do. Sidious only stopped caring when Anakin came into the picture.

Obviously, because it's midichlorians per cell that actually matters. And, no, animals can use the Force. The Force is often used innately, and there are numerous Force Sensitive animals, often of Sith creation, in the mythos.

And DP handled this. The narrative doesn't contradict it whatsoever.

ILS is the biggest Maul wanker anybody knows.

You forgot to put the GM not wishing to diverge from canon part of that quote. 😛

A creature created by Sith alchemy is obviously going to be different from a naturally occurring species.

It does actually. Galen thinks to himself that he needs to get into an indefensible position to get Vader to lower his guard and low and behold his plan works.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Did I read "Unless the GM wishes to diverge from canon?"

Because if I did I'm assuming that quotes from a D&D sourcebook.

So instead of cutting the middle man and asking ILS, you argued amongst yourselves. Typical.

Is Darth Maul a true Sith Apprentice to Sidious? Yes.

Is Darth Maul a Sith Lord? Yes.

Is Darth Maul someone Sidious thought worthy of upholding Sith tradition after/if he died? Yes.

Is Darth Maul capable of exceeding Palpatine? I would honestly guess not but it's not like any canon sources have been clear about it. Who knows where Maul would be if Palpatine groomed him from birth to be his successor, gave him all of his knowledge, and he didn't suffer being cut in half.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/obi-wan-vs-maul-read-1765585/?page=1#js-message-16188923

Read this post. If my answers to those questions are incorrect I'll eat my own foot.

ILS is the biggest Maul wanker anybody knows.

Galen wanker.

You assume being a wanker is necessarily a bad thing. It's not. Unless it turns into this *****-fest, I guess.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You assume being a wanker is necessarily a bad thing. It's not. Unless it turns into this *****-fest, I guess.

I don't mind being defined as a wanker within reason. A reasonable wanker.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
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Originally posted by Darth Thor
But must have been similar for him to spend so much time on training Maul.

I’m not sure how that follows.

That is he wasn't in any way a worthy successor, he wouldn't have bothered to train him. mmm

Why? There are plenty of other reasons to train an apprentice including that he needs an apprentice to run his war.

What war? And yeah, he definitely needs Maul to be the face of the CIS. I can see the people rushing to join already.

The Clone Wars obviously. And considering how quickly Maul managed to create his own army without the support of Sidious, it seems like he would have been more than able to do so.