Legionaires Vs Heralds

Originally posted by cdtm
XS, Flash's relative? Faster then Norrin?

Nooo. No no no. Not even close. Silver Surfer has speed feats on par with Flash Prime, my friend, let alone one of the many lesser Flash family offshoots.

Hahahaha. Oh the myths of CBR.

Surfer isn't even as fast as a green lantern. Let alone a Flash.

Anyways, the rules said to pick a team, so I asume we can't mix and match between eras. So, how many big guns can we stack on any given version, who could survive those heralds unleashing everything they have at the bell?

Everyone. Legion flight rings have enough protection.

Originally posted by cdtm
XS, Flash's relative? Faster then Norrin?

Undoubtedly. Norrin has good travel speed feats for traversing space by bending it. The exact same thing done by every GL. His actual speed particularly reaction aren't that high at all. You already conceded this point when you attributed his speed to his board.

Nooo. No no no. Not even close. Silver Surfer has speed feats on par with Flash Prime, my friend, let alone one of the many lesser Flash family offshoots.

No he doesn't. I've seen this BS thrown up so many times with scans that were supposed to support it that don't.

Anyways, the rules said to pick a team, so I asume we can't mix and match between eras. So, how many big guns can we stack on any given version, who could survive those heralds unleashing everything they have at the bell?

The rules say any line up of Legionaries between COIE and Flashpoint. Those I've listed are exactly within this period

I could have gone with Lo3W. Let's look at the line up from vol 4 alone

Legion of Super-Heroes

Blok, Brainiac 5, Cosmic Boy, Dawnstar, Dream Girl, Lightning Lad, Lightning Lass, Mon-El, Phantom Girl, Polar Boy, Saturn Girl, Starman, Sun Boy, Timber Wolf, Ultra Boy, White Witch, Wildfire

Legion of Super-Heroes 2

Andromeda, Apparition, Brainiac 5, Cosmic Boy, Dreamer, Ferro, Gates, Gear, Invisible Kid, Kid Quantum, Kinetix (Dies), Live Wire, M'Onel, Saturn Girl, Sensor, Shikari, Spark, Star Boy, Timber Wolf, Ultra Boy, Umbra, Violet, Wildfire, XS

Legion of Super-Heroes 3

Brainiac 5, Element Lad (Dies), Light Lass, Lightning Lad, Mon-El, Phantom Girl, Shadow Lass, Star Boy, Sun Boy (Deceased), Timber Wolf, Triplicate Girl, Ultra Boy

From that one issue without the entire line up from the ark there are 15 team members who can easily go one on one with the 11 heralds (I'd argue WW could go 1 on 2 maybe 3). If we go to issue 3 add another Mon-el. The version of "starman can create and control black holes.

For the record while there I can't recall teh feats that support it, It's was also stated on panel the Andromeda was stronger than Supergirl.

There we go, single line up from one point in time that stomps. But hey all those guy's will stand on the hands while the heralds demolish the team amtes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer isn't even as fast as a green lantern.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Everyone. Legion flight rings have enough protection.

A Legion Flight Ring is controlled by mental command, and like a Green Power Ring, it can be willed for varying effects. For example, because of Dream Girl's strong will, she has used the Flight Ring to move other objects be negating the gravity around it. It's main function, however, is to allow it's wearer to fly.

Another function of the Legion Flight Ring is to send out a distress call. If a Legionnaire rotates the "L" symbol 45 degrees, the ring will send out a distress message that will be recieved by other Legionnaires and the Mission Monitor Board at Legion Headquarters.

Brainiac 5 has modified the functions of a ring specific to each Legionnaire. For example, Colossal Boy's ring will enlarge with him, and Shrinking Violet's will shrink with her. Other examples of this include the Legion Flight Ring being able to "Duplicate" with Duplicate Damsel, resist temperature extremes around Sun Boy and Polar Boy and handle the increased mass of Blok. Another modification he had recently made, was to Earth-Man's Legion Flight Ring, in order to keep him on a short leash and alter his morality.

A Legion Flight Ring is also used for security purposes. Only someone with a Legion Flight Ring is allowed to use certain equipment, including the Legion Cruiser.

In certain alternate universe versions of the Legion, it has other uses as well. Environmental protection is an added benefit for the Earth-Prime Legionnaires, for example. The Earth-0 and Earth-247 Legionnaires use Legion Transuits instead.

I'm sure i'll get the "data sites are meaningless" response but hey, i put more stock in them than just your word.
On certain subjects, you're very bissed.

Originally posted by riv6672
Yeah thats just your opinion.

Thats bullshit.

[b]A Legion Flight Ring is controlled by mental command, and like a Green Power Ring, it can be willed for varying effects. For example, because of Dream Girl's strong will, she has used the Flight Ring to move other objects be negating the gravity around it. It's main function, however, is to allow it's wearer to fly.

Another function of the Legion Flight Ring is to send out a distress call. If a Legionnaire rotates the "L" symbol 45 degrees, the ring will send out a distress message that will be recieved by other Legionnaires and the Mission Monitor Board at Legion Headquarters.

Brainiac 5 has modified the functions of a ring specific to each Legionnaire. For example, Colossal Boy's ring will enlarge with him, and Shrinking Violet's will shrink with her. Other examples of this include the Legion Flight Ring being able to "Duplicate" with Duplicate Damsel, resist temperature extremes around Sun Boy and Polar Boy and handle the increased mass of Blok. Another modification he had recently made, was to Earth-Man's Legion Flight Ring, in order to keep him on a short leash and alter his morality.

A Legion Flight Ring is also used for security purposes. Only someone with a Legion Flight Ring is allowed to use certain equipment, including the Legion Cruiser.

In certain alternate universe versions of the Legion, it has other uses as well. Environmental protection is an added benefit for the Earth-Prime Legionnaires, for example. The Earth-0 and Earth-247 Legionnaires use Legion Transuits instead.

I'm sure i'll get the "data sites are meaningless" response but hey, i put more stock in them than just your word.
On certain subjects, you're very bissed. [/B]

That's a fact. You can call it a flash fact as well. Lanterns fly to and from center of universe to the edge of the universe all the time. Surfer in his entire history never does that.

Read some LOSH comics. The ring provides a force field as well.

Superman has bounced off the force field. None of the heralds are breaching it.

Well, i give you credit for telling your biased lies in a calmer manner than you usually do.

Originally posted by cdtm
I don't know, that's a LOT of heralds.

Silver Surfer alone I'd put on a PC Kryptonian's level (Boo all you want, Norrin was crossing galaxies and evolving races, and beating skyfather+/Abstract Uni-Lord when Superman was stuck on Earth post crisis and needed a GL ride to travel).

DEMONIC LIES!!!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Better than Thing did? That's why White Witch is there.

Originally posted by riv6672
Well, i give you credit for telling your biased lies in a calmer manner than you usually do.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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Anyway, Mysa absorbs all the power from Destroyer like she did to Mordru after he absorbed the magic of an entire universe.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Herald Destroyer was stalemated by Thing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's a fact. You can call it a flash fact as well. Lanterns fly to and from center of universe to the edge of the universe all the time. Surfer in his entire history never does that.

Read some LOSH comics. The ring provides a force field as well.

Superman has bounced off the force field. None of the heralds are breaching it.

Superman called Kyle Rayner point blank the fastest flier, so yeah.

The thing is, due to a rings computer, I believe a GL's manuverability and reflex's absolutely can match a Kryptonians. We've seen Hal Jordan suddenly accelerating at speeds said to be way faster then sound, skimming buildings, to tackle Sinestro, without doing much collateral damage.

As for Norrin, I wasn't "admitting" his speed is all about his board. If all he could do was fly in a straight line, it wouldn't make any sense to recruit him to try and grab the Infinity Gauntlet, since the best he could do is collide with him and hope it pops off..

My point more, was on that board he could simply ram through every lesser character at top speeds, even if his personal speed wasn't up to it. Or hell, he could have the board do the work and go engage a non flier, whatever..

Originally posted by abhilegend
I like how you proved these "lies" without posting a single proof.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe he can use that speed to run away from Superman.

Are you sure you want to compare who has beaten who? Surfer was amped as hell against unilord and it's non canon anyway.

Surfer couldn't even beat Henshaw when they met. Forget about Superman.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
facepalm

mmm

Originally posted by cdtm
Superman called Kyle Rayner point blank the fastest flier, so yeah.

And then Superman outflew every GL in Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis.

So yeah, him giving lip service to Kyle in his own book doesn't makes much changes.

The thing is, due to a rings computer, I believe a GL's manuverability and reflex's absolutely can match a Kryptonians. We've seen Hal Jordan suddenly accelerating at speeds said to be way faster then sound, skimming buildings, to tackle Sinestro, without doing much collateral damage.

Even Impulse has speedblitzed Kyle into a pulp. Forget about Superman or Flash.

Flying in a straight line doesn't makes you a Speedster.

As for Norrin, I wasn't "admitting" his speed is all about his board. If all he could do was fly in a straight line, it wouldn't make any sense to recruit him to try and grab the Infinity Gauntlet, since the best he could do is collide with him and hope it pops off..

He even missed that one. And yes, he flew straight ahead and missed it. If he was as fast as you think he is, he could've moved himself to grab it again.

Instead he kept it going on straight ahead.

😂

My point more, was on that board he could simply ram through every lesser character at top speeds, even if his personal speed wasn't up to it. Or hell, he could have the board do the work and go engage a non flier, whatever..

That's not how he fights.

Originally posted by riv6672
Good deal.
I like how you consider your opinion actual proof.
I was right, in that you went with (a variation of) data sheets mean nothing.
You've never been shy about posting scans (many times hilariously misinterpreted to your liking) down everyone's throats to prove your point, but in this case you've posted nothing.
If you actually proved what you're saying, i'd have no problem apologizing to you.
Heck i'll do it now preemptively:
"You were right this time, abhi. My bad."
Feel free to take that to heart if you arent just spouting bias. But like i said, i dont believe you.

You're a waste of time and space.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You mean in the fight that got interrupted before it was finished? Another way of saying it is that a more versatile version of Supes couldn't beat Surfer.

Henshaw didn't use anything but strength and HV and one blast of his arm cannon. If he had actually used some versatility you might have a point.

Also, didn't Surfer prove that his speed was too much for Henshaw to even land a shot once he decided to use it?

Henshaw never uses speed in a fight. He also laughed at Surfer's attacks and asked "is that it"?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe you should read the comic.

mmm

This happened during their encounter. Heck at one point early on, the Destoyer wasn't even fighting back.

Why? Because Galactus cared little for the outcome. Interesting take you have there. Then again why would anyone be surprised?
😬

Originally posted by abhilegend
Henshaw didn't use anything but strength and HV and one blast of his arm cannon. If he had actually used some versatility you might have a point.

Henshaw never uses speed in a fight. He also laughed at Surfer's attacks and asked "is that it"?

Originally posted by abhilegend
The same Riv BS tactics as ever. "You didn't post a scan so I am right. "

You're a waste of time and space.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This happened during their encounter. Heck at one point early on, the Destoyer wasn't even fighting back.

Why? Because Galactus cared little for the outcome. Interesting take you have there. Then again why would anyone be surprised?
😬

Its the only fight Destroyer as herald was in, so we can use only this to gauge it. Did I ever say Thing defeated him or whatever BS you are saying?