I think going toe-to-toe with Sidious isn't the impossible feat everybody makes it out to be, furthermore Talzin wasn't simply in the center of her power, she had Maul's power to boot.
Also, this is pure sorcery, so her lightning feats aren't all that applicable, Kun simply is the better sorcery/alchemy master imo.
Originally posted by AncientPower
I think going toe-to-toe with Sidious isn't the impossible feat everybody makes it out to be, furthermore Talzin wasn't simply in the center of her power, she had Maul's power to boot.
I didn't say it's impossible. Were it the case, Talzin wouldn't have accomplished it.
She was going toe-to-toe with him before she had Maul's support. When Maul lent her his aid, she actually drew with him. Of course, Dooku chose to awoke at that moment and turned the tide back in Sheev's favor.
Also, this is pure sorcery, so her lightning feats aren't all that applicable, Kun simply is the better sorcery/alchemy master imo.
I didn't say that this is pure Sorcery, I said this is Force-only/Magick only. These are just combatants who would happen to use Sorcerous powers in that circumstance. And given her rather eldritch powers, it's entirely possible that her Lightning is some sort of Sorcery.
Cool but Plagueis, Krayt, Caedus, Gethzerion, Joruus C'boath, Exar Kun, and Revan, though I bet I'm missing a few, should all be capable of going toe-to-toe with Darth Sidious, not win of course, but hold their own against him.
Amped Talzin isn't some sudden Yoda tier powerhouse for doing what she did, it means she can do better than Mace Windu, logically even Vader should replicate her feat barring his limitations.
Sidious gets a little too highly rated sometimes tbh.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Cool but Plagueis, Krayt, Caedus, Gethzerion, Joruus C'boath, Exar Kun, and Revan, though I bet I'm missing a few, should all be capable of going toe-to-toe with Darth Sidious, not win of course, but hold their own against him.Amped Talzin isn't some sudden Yoda tier powerhouse for doing what she did, it means she can do better than Mace Windu, logically even Vader should replicate her feat barring his limitations.
I already said others can go toe-to-toe with him, but not to the same degree that Talzin did. She was close to stalemating him, which I'll be damned if Caedus or Joruus or Revan can do.
Sidious gets a little too highly rated sometimes tbh.
Hush, child. You'll attract the Valkorion fanboys here, and I don't have the energy to waste on all of you guys at once.
Originally posted by Nephthys
How can you hope to avoid us...WHEN WE ARE ALREADY HERE!
Here and getting curbed, sure. But I associate you so much with Darth Bane that I don't even class you as a Valkoriate anymore.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Why exactly is the degree to which she matched TCW Sidious such an insurmountable feat for the people listed?
Do you think those names you listed (especially the ones I pointed out) can come close to stalemating Sheev?
More importantly, even if they performed just as well, they'd only match Talzin, not beat her. To beat her, they'd basically have to stalemate Sheev.
I love that people constantly bring up the fact she was in the "heart of her power" (though nowhere is that stated to be a direct force amp), and that Dooku was weakened because he'd just regained consciousness... Yet no one ever notes the fact she had literally just been brought back to life, or that the process is stated to have likely weakened her 😬
Honestly, I think in a neutral setting she would hold her own against Sidious, likely losing the majority of the time though.
On Dathomir, at full strength, she would have bested him. There is a reason Sidious could not simply storm Dathomir and take her on himself, he clearly viewed it as a colossal risk. The only thing that changed to make him journey there was her revival, it stands to reason than that it weakened her...
I doubt she could have bested him, especially considering she was afraid of TPM Palpatine when they first met, but yeah Dathomir isn't even that powerful a nexus, all it would have done is negate her weakened condition.
EDIT: Correction, it her followers who were afraid of him. But I believe Palpatine promised to make her his subordinate.