Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yeah, except those quotes contradict all of the canonical material we have on Sidious. What it really boils down to is that canon and legends differ strongly on Sidious' goals.And SoD falls into the canon bandwagon, so... :tehee:
Please quote me quickly all those canon quotes which say Sidious wanted to be killed and replaced 🙂
Also lmao at dismissing legends quotes while backing Beni's use of Sam Witwer 😆
Originally posted by The_Tempest👆
Canon/Legends have always kinda waffled and conflicted about the Emperor's pre-Endor ambition when it comes to the Sith. I think the closest thing to a consensus was that he intended to find a true successor until he devised a plan to reincarnate endlessly and consume the universe.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
But even in Dark Empire he apprentices Luke, who would've presumably overthrown him at some point.
Maybe, but that wasn't the intent. The Dark Empire Sourcebook states he planned to use Luke as the beginning of an "eternal dynasty, with the descendents of Skywalker as its nobility, and Palpatine himself as its omnipotent ruler."
Then he planned to "journey across the universe spreading the shadow of his rule, blotting out the stars themselves, and taking his Dark Rule to other helpless galaxies."
And in the nu!canon, Palpatine's goal is to use the Force to literally rewrite reality in his image per Tarkin.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Canon/Legends have always kinda waffled and conflicted about the Emperor's pre-Endor ambition when it comes to the Sith. I think the closest thing to a consensus was that he intended to find a true successor until he devised a plan to reincarnate endlessly and consume the universe.
How is that the closest to a consensus though? Legends as him not wanting a successor from the off, and canon has no real definitive statements either way. There is honestly no reason for Palpatine to have Ventress killed, for example, if he didn't fear being overthrown.
Originally posted by Selenial
How is that the closest to a consensus though? Legends as him not wanting a successor from the off, and canon has no real definitive statements either way. There is honestly no reason for Palpatine to have Ventress killed, for example, if he didn't fear being overthrown.
Yeah but then why expend all that energy to try to get a more powerful apprentice, including one who could become greater than he (Anakin, Luke) if he wasn't interested in a successor. He tells Marek in TFU that he could have been his equal, his successor.
There's never been a flat out consensus.
Mmm, Sidious didn't want Dooku to attempt to overthrow him because that was not part of his designs, but that doesn't preclude him wanting a successor full stop.
However I more intepreted that as Sidious calling Dooku out in violating the Rule of Two, perceiving Ventress to be a legitimate Sith apprentice.
The apparent contradictions are probably just the product of Palpatine's own cognitive dissonance; he probably genuinely believes in the Sith social darwinist philosophy and thinks that the apprentice should ultimately surpass the master, but this runs into his own narcissism and selfishness, so he sort of vacillates between the two. (Ironically enough, Bane's entire philosophy is basically altruistic sacrifice for the greater cause of the Sith)
Selenial, no offense but I don't understand why you still haven't addressed/considered the fact that Sidious recruited Anakin and bragged about how he was gonna surpass him...
I pretty much agree with that, going back to what Witwer says, he highlights that Palpatine didn't just pick any one, he picked someone he genuinely believed to be a worthy successor, and only in the case of Dooku (a placeholder for Anakin) has he done anything less. Whether or not he really ever planned to give up the mantle aside, I don't believe he'd ever intentionally select someone incompetent, but rather only the best.