Khan and Bane vs Captain America...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I know the average velocity of an object in Earth's orbit and I know falling into Earth's gravity well will cause further acceleration...

Based on that I believe 20k mph is a conservative estimate...

But humor me Thanosi, how fast do you think it was going? 20 mph? 50 mph? 100 mph?

You dont trust my numbers, but do you trust NASA's?

Space debris, which appears to just float around in space,is actually moving an incredible velocity...see what NASA has to say about it:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/news/orbital_debris.html

Come on dude, you keep calling me wrong, but every number you can find pertaining to this topic points favorably towards my argument....

Tell you what, do some research on the velocity of objects in space and get back to me...

The article you posted only proves my point further. The velocity that debris was traveling likely wouldn't killed Kirk if it was to scale. Clearly it wasn't. Thus why is it to scale when it happens to Khan, when it happens to others, it's not to scale. Hypocrisy much LOM?

You're not understanding these simple concepts yet again, which is odd considering you claim to be an astronaut. For the 10th time already:

1. Normal humans have survived a crash from space and been just fine. Thus it's not impressive Khan did the same.

2. You keep acting like Khan wasn't in a futuristic ship when he crashed. The unquestionably was, and that further reduced said impact exponentially

3. You keep forgetting that Khan was still maneuvering the ship. It wasn't just doing a noise dive from space. The was able to alter it's path, and likely had other controls as well. Yet you continue to act like he was simply free falling from space to earth.

4. You keep acting like the way the ship crashed didn't further reduce the kinetic energy of the impact. It most certainly did.

How about you get back to me when you can be fair and objective eh LOM?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Impactors almost never barrel straight down; due to Earth's rotation, nearly all impacts are oblique strikes...

Come on man, if you want to go there, have some knowledge of this stuff...

Huh? I didn't say whether they mostly do or don't go barreling straight down. What I'm saying is, they have their flight path and carry it through. Khan on the other hand.. altered his flight path showing some maneuverability and controls over the vessel. An asteroid has no such controls, nor does it change directions to hit a certain destination.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Hollywood did have the final say on how much damage was visualized...

Right... next to none. Proving beyond question it wasn't traveling that fast. You can't have it both ways. You can't go

1.. Well visually it clearly wasn't traveling 20,000 MPH (markers in the video) BUT BUT I'm saying it was wrong and it was really traveling THIS fast because that is what my calculations say...

BUT

2. Then go, well it didn't leave a crater because Hollywood didn't want it to... but I really know how fast it was traveling.

Here's what we are left with:

Visual it doesn't look to be traveling anywhere near that fast
The impact clearly demonstrates it wasn't traveling that fast

GUESS WHAT LOM IT WASN'T TRAVELING THAT FAST

@Robtard

Lets just use your number for a jumbo jet for a second and calculate the kinetic energy the Vengeance possessed at impact...shall we?

v=920km/h (570mph)
m=4,500,000,000 kilograms (4,500,000 metric tones)

E(k)=1/2mv^2

E(k)=1/2(4,500,000,000)(920)^2

E(k)=1/2(4,500,000,000)(846,400)

E(k)=(2,250,000,000)(846,400)

E(k)=1.9044e15

The Hiroshima detonation is calculated at 63 TJ....
The Vengeance inpacting at the speed of a Jumbo Jet would possess 1,904.4 TJ...

No matter how you spin it, Khan survived an incredible crash; this feat beats anything enduring by Captain America...by miles.

Read em and weep!!

😉

Khan wins. Get mad, Robbie.

Lom, he hates NuTrek and always wants to attack NuKhan. He's a hater.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The article you posted only proves my point further. The velocity that debris was traveling likely wouldn't killed Kirk if it was to scale. Clearly it wasn't. Thus why is it to scale when it happens to Khan, when it happens to others, it's not to scale. Hypocrisy much LOM?

You're not understanding these simple concepts yet again, which is odd considering you claim to be an astronaut. For the 10th time already:

1. Normal humans have survived a crash from space and been just fine. Thus it's not impressive Khan did the same.

2. You keep acting like Khan wasn't in a futuristic ship when he crashed. The unquestionably was, and that further reduced said impact exponentially

3. You keep forgetting that Khan was still maneuvering the ship. It wasn't just doing a noise dive from space. The was able to alter it's path, and likely had other controls as well. Yet you continue to act like he was simply free falling from space to earth.

4. You keep acting like the way the ship crashed didn't further reduce the kinetic energy of the impact. It most certainly did.

How about you get back to me when you can be fair and objective eh LOM?

I'm the most objective person here...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wins. Get mad, Robbie.

Lom, he hates NuTrek and always wants to attack NuKhan. He's a hater.

So I see...

There are alot of Khan haters here...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Robtard

Lets just use your number for a jumbo jet for a second and calculate the kinetic energy the Vengeance possessed at impact...shall we?

v=920km/h (570mph)
m=4,500,000,000 kilograms (4,500,000 metric tones)

E(k)=1/2mv^2

E(k)=1/2(4,500,000,000)(920)^2

E(k)=1/2(4,500,000,000)(846,400)

E(k)=(2,250,000,000)(846,400)

E(k)=1.9044e15

The Hiroshima detonation is calculated at 63 TJ....
The Vengeance inpacting at the speed of a Jumbo Jet would possess 1,904.4 TJ...

No matter how you spin it, Khan survived an incredible crash; this feat beats anything enduring by Captain America...by miles.

Read em and weep!!

😉

Jumbo jets aren't travelling 570mph while on descent about to land. So your math is wrong.

Not a bad mockery though, you're even throwing around the "I'm objective" over and over, which quanchi copied from me.

Originally posted by Robtard
Jumbo jets aren't travelling 570mph while on descent about to land. So your math is wrong.

Not a bad mockery though, you're even throwing around the "I'm objective", which quanchi copied from me.

Dude, unless you cut the velocity down to a snails pace, the impact possessed more KE than an atomic detonation and its not even close...

No matter how much you want to low ball this feat, its head and shoulders above anything endured by Captain America...

And once again, I am very objective; math doesnt lie...

Right IF it was traveling at that speed... Clearly it was not, cause you know, it didn't impact with the KE of a Nuke... but you're right... it was not even close to that level of impact

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Dude, unless you cut the velocity down to a snails pace, the impact possessed more KE than an atomic detonation and its not even close...

No matter how much you want to low ball this feat, its head and shoulders above anything endured by Captain America...

And once again, I am very objective; math doesnt lie...

In the end we have the film showing that the Vegeance wasn't going 20,000+mph when it first rolled over Alcatraz and hit water, it wasn't even going 1,000mph. We also see the damage and it wasn't a nuclear bomb levels. The film > personal views, that's really the end of it.

Are you saying that the team wins now? Before you weren't. Cap's above either of these two, he'd take them down after a bloody fight.

Since LoM is preaching logic, and Trek is all about logic...wouldn't logic dictate if an object the size of Vengeance(which LoM still hasn't shown proof it weighs 4.5 million tons), hit with the force of a nuke(like LoM says it will), wouldn't there be nuke like effects? Like a huge explosion? A cratered city?

Originally posted by Robtard

Are you saying that the team wins now? Before you weren't. Cap's above either of these two, he'd take them down after a bloody fight.

Bloody for the team. Bane gets one-shotted if Cap is serious. A punch to the face would probably mangle the mask into his bone structure. And Spock was fighting with Khan, not winning, but fighting. Cap would put him down after a bit of a scrap, but Cap would have no injuries.

Odd isn't it King?? It's not visually traveling that fast.. nor does the impact speak to it traveling as fast as LOM claims... Yet, it was traveling that fast!!! Why know why? Cause LOM said so dammit!!

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right IF it was traveling at that speed... Clearly it was not, cause you know, it didn't impact with the KE of a Nuke... but you're right... it was not even close to that level of impact

Sureit did; most of the KE was transferred to the ocean on impact...

Still, a very significant fraction of that KE transferred to Khan during impact just as it would in a car crash...and Khan not only tanked it, but was still in fighting shape afterwards.

So please stop trying to short change Khan...this feat is amazing.

Originally posted by KingD19
Bloody for the team. Bane gets one-shotted if Cap is serious. A punch to the face would probably mangle the mask into his bone structure. And Spock was fighting with Khan, not winning, but fighting. Cap would put him down after a bit of a scrap, but Cap would have no injuries.

Bane's not much of an issue, the mask would be ruined by one direct punch, but neither Bane nor Khan are fools and with teamwork, they can make Cap bleed before he wins, imo.

Though I suspect you'll probably be correct after CV is released and Cap is shown to have improved once again.

Originally posted by Robtard
In the end we have the film showing that the Vegeance wasn't going 20,000+mph when it first rolled over Alcatraz and hit water, it wasn't even going 1,000mph. We also see the damage and it wasn't a nuclear bomb levels. The film > personal views, that's really the end of it.

Are you saying that the team wins now? Before you weren't. Cap's above either of these two, he'd take them down after a bloody fight.

Cap only wins due to his shield and then only 6/10...imho.

Originally posted by KingD19
Since LoM is preaching logic, and Trek is all about logic...wouldn't logic dictate if an object the size of Vengeance(which LoM still hasn't shown proof it weighs 4.5 million tons), hit with the force of a nuke(like LoM says it will), wouldn't there be nuke like effects? Like a huge explosion? A cratered city?

Do some reseach on the mass of a star ship in star trek then get back to me...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Cap only wins due to his shield and then only 6/10...imho.

Now who's downplaying.

And Rob I'd say their teamwork could work since they're both pretty smart, well at least Khan is. On screen Bane has never had the brilliance of the comic version.

But Bane is slow as shit. I don't think he lasts long enough to do anything with teamwork.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Odd isn't it King?? It's not visually traveling that fast.. nor does the impact speak to it traveling as fast as LOM claims... Yet, it was traveling that fast!!! Why know why? Cause LOM said so dammit!!

Oh, I still think my original numbers are correct, but even if they arent, Khans feat of durability shown here is off the charts...

If you are being objective, I think you'll find that beyond dispute...