Khan and Bane vs Captain America...

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Not to mention he didn't punch through. He only cracked it

Heres the clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpwOajm3_5k

We are both wrong as Bane didnt punch straight through the column, but he did more than just crack it as well; he clearly punches into the thick column...

And you and Inhuman might notice that Banes fingers were uncovered when he fought Batman (his armguards ony extend down to his mid Metacarpals), so when he was damaging that column, that was raw power on display...

Also, HulkisHulk, when Scotty shot Khan in the head it was a sucker punch so to speak as Khan thought he and Kurt/Scooty were on sides...

But even that head shot didnt keep Khan down long...

As pertains Bane's skill level, it isnt as low as some of you remember, and he was fighting a fully armored Batman...

None of what Bane did helps him in his fight with Cap.

If he can take repeated hits from Bucky's robo arm which would cave in Bane's face with one solid hit(it cracked concrete, caught Cap's shield which was tearing up a Quinjet, and yanked a steering column out of a car) without getting so much as a bloody nose, Bane can punch him all day and nothing will happen.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well let's consider what Cap's full force hits do shall we?

Red Skull(supposed to be Cap's equal back in the first movie) dented steel with ease and didn't even hurt his hand.

Cap punched through reinforced submarine glass.

Cap has thrown a motorcycle hard enough to crumple the front end of an armored military jeep.

He was one-shotting Chitauri(who themselves are durable enough to drop several hundred feet and crush cars or catch themselves by digging hand holds in buildings as they fall).

He was one-shotting Ultron drones.

His hits were knocking Ultron around.

His hits were effecting Loki.(Not hurting him so much, but he couldn't just stand there and ignore his punches, they were moving him around)

His hits were knocking Iron Man around.

He casually sends people flying.

If Cap hit Khan as hard as he could every single time and didn't hold back, yeah I wouldn't give him more than 10 full force clean hits before he's done.

He also hit a heavy training bag so hard that it popped open where he hit it and went sailing across a room.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well let's consider what Cap's full force hits do shall we?

Red Skull(supposed to be Cap's equal back in the first movie) dented steel with ease and didn't even hurt his hand.

Cap punched through reinforced submarine glass.

Cap has thrown a motorcycle hard enough to crumple the front end of an armored military jeep.

He was one-shotting Chitauri(who themselves are durable enough to drop several hundred feet and crush cars or catch themselves by digging hand holds in buildings as they fall).

He was one-shotting Ultron drones.

His hits were knocking Ultron around.

His hits were effecting Loki.(Not hurting him so much, but he couldn't just stand there and ignore his punches, they were moving him around)

His hits were knocking Iron Man around.

He casually sends people flying.

If Cap hit Khan as hard as he could every single time and didn't hold back, yeah I wouldn't give him more than 10 full force clean hits before he's done.

No doubt, Cap is very impressively; unquestionably superhuman...

But so is Khan, and I honestly think Khan has the damage soak to content with Cap; look at the massive hit Khan takes during this sequence at about the 1:52 mark (and if you know anything about velocities in space, Khan is traveling in the 15,000-20,000mph range during this) ...and Khan takes it as if it was nothing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlkbnFVW7xM

Originally posted by KingD19
Well let's consider what Cap's full force hits do shall we?

Red Skull(supposed to be Cap's equal back in the first movie) dented steel with ease and didn't even hurt his hand.

Cap punched through reinforced submarine glass.

Cap has thrown a motorcycle hard enough to crumple the front end of an armored military jeep.

He was one-shotting Chitauri(who themselves are durable enough to drop several hundred feet and crush cars or catch themselves by digging hand holds in buildings as they fall).

He was one-shotting Ultron drones.

His hits were knocking Ultron around.

His hits were effecting Loki.(Not hurting him so much, but he couldn't just stand there and ignore his punches, they were moving him around)

His hits were knocking Iron Man around.

He casually sends people flying.

If Cap hit Khan as hard as he could every single time and didn't hold back, yeah I wouldn't give him more than 10 full force clean hits before he's done.

No doubt, Cap is very impressive; unquestionably superhuman...

But so is Khan, and I honestly think Khan has the damage soak to content with Cap; look at the massive hit Khan takes during this sequence at about the 1:52 mark (and if you know anything about velocities in space, Khan is traveling in the 15,000-20,000mph range during this) ...and Khan takes it as if it was nothing.

This is what a fresh Khan can shrug off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIkbnFVW7xM

Edit: link fixed

The video won't play so I don't know which scene you're talking about.

And a fresh Khan would get rolled over just like a weakened one. It just takes a little longer because Cap is his superior in every regard except pure intelligence and his healing blood.

Originally posted by KingD19
The video won't play so I don't know which scene you're talking about.

And a fresh Khan would get rolled over just like a weakened one. It just takes a little longer because Cap is his superior in every regard except pure intelligence and his healing blood.

It works now; I though it was a lower case "l" in the url, but it was an upper case "I" instead...

Originally posted by KingD19
The video won't play so I don't know which scene you're talking about.

And a fresh Khan would get rolled over just like a weakened one. It just takes a little longer because Cap is his superior in every regard except pure intelligence and his healing blood.

Maybe Cap is, but I think a strong argument can be made that this isnt the case...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Maybe Cap is, but I think a strong argument can be made that this isnt the case...

Cap could take that same impact. It's impressive, but not enough to save Khan.

And what areas do you think Khan surpasses him in physically?

Keep in mind Kirk was going the same velocity as Khan if not faster since he didn't hit anything and he was just fine after crashing into the ship.

Originally posted by KingD19
Cap could take that same impact. It's impressive, but not enough to save Khan.

And what areas do you think Khan surpasses him in physically?

Keep in mind Kirk was going the same velocity as Khan if not faster since he didn't hit anything and he was just fine after crashing into the ship.

I honestly believe Khan has shown superior damage soak to Cap; he doesnt have strength feats of Cap though...

I think Khan has a chance of eventually prevailing in a trench fight against Cap, but I'm not at all certain of it...

As pertains to when they entered the ship, once they encountered atmosphere being sucked out of the ship at velocities comparable to the velocity they possessed entering the ship, they shread kinetic energy very rapidly and were able to safely roll until they shred all the remaining kinetic energy they possessed...

I doubt he's shown superior damage soak. He hit that one metal sheet. And survived the ship crash.

Cap jumped from several thousand feet into water without a parachute.

He jumped from near the top of a skyscraper when he hopped out the elevator.

He jumped from one Hellicarrier deck to another a few hundred feet down and rolled to his feet.

He survived the plane crash and being frozen in ice for 70 years with no damage whatsoever.

He took a chitauri laser to the gut and got right back up, as opposed to Khan only getting hit with stun bolts.

He got hit by Quicksilver and landed on his feet, whereas that same charge attack was shredding Ultron drones.

He took a beating from Loki.

He took a beating from Ultron Prime.

He took a beating from Bucky's arm.

He held a helicopter from taking off which takes strength and massive durability as well.

He has the advantage of having far more feats than Khan(3 about to be 4 movies for Cap as opposed to 1 with Khan), and most of them being more impressive.

Also there's no way they could be going as fast as you state in space and still be able to maneuver even slightly. If Khan was going 15k-20kmph, then so was Kirk. And neither of them should have been able to do anything but go in a straight line and crash into everything on the way there.

@KingD19

Space is vacuum; no gravity, no atmospheric resistance causing friction...

Maneuvering is far easier than you might think; besides they had thrusters and computer assistance as pertains this ...

Inaddition, objects in space possess termendous velocities; mainly due to lack of atmosphere and gravity (gravity tends to intensify impacts in space) slowing them down...

I know how space works. I just don't believe being sucked into the vacuum of space suddenly catapulted them to 20kmph. And even flying blind Kirk didn't hit anything, supposedly rocketing around at 20kmph.

And if Khan can take those sort of impacts without injury, he should have been able to stand there and let Spock wail on him like Kirk did with no worries.

I stand by what I said. Capbeats down both of them. Bane gets one-shotted. Khan puts up more fight but goes down too.

Cap stomps and stomps hard

😆 people are acting as if Khan survived a ship crashing down on him. Rather than him surviving a crash... this is not a feat people!

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
😆 people are acting as if Khan survived a ship crashing down on him. Rather than him surviving a crash... this is not a feat people!

Cap survived a bomber crashing with him in the cockpit and then getting frozen for nearly 80 years. That's a feat.

Originally posted by KingD19
I know how space works. I just don't believe being sucked into the vacuum of space suddenly catapulted them to 20kmph. And even flying blind Kirk didn't hit anything, supposedly rocketing around at 20kmph.

And if Khan can take those sort of impacts without injury, he should have been able to stand there and let Spock wail on him like Kirk did with no worries.

I stand by what I said. Capbeats down both of them. Bane gets one-shotted. Khan puts up more fight but goes down too.

Yeah it would get them going at that speed; I remember an astronaunt losing hold of a wrench in space...you know what the velocity of wrench was calculated to be? Around 17,000 mph.

Go to nasa.gov and look up orbital debris; velocities in space are mindboggling...

Khan was weakened from the ship crash from space when he fought Spock and was still dominating him (who was fresh and enraged)...heres the clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwGVSNv_H1U

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
😆 people are acting as if Khan survived a ship crashing down on him. Rather than him surviving a crash... this is not a feat people!

He was in that ship during impact...

Khan possessed an incredible amount of kinetic energy during the crash...it is absolutely a phenomenal feat.

Originally posted by KingD19
Cap survived a bomber crashing with him in the cockpit and then getting frozen for nearly 80 years. That's a feat.

An impact from a bomber crashing is absolutely nothing compared to the kinetic energy a ship crashing from space will possess; you are looking at a difference of atleast 2-3 orders of magnitude...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Yeah it would get them going at that speed; I remember an astronaunt losing hold of a wrench in space...you know what the velocity of wrench was calculated to be? Around 17,000 mph.

Go to nasa.gov and look up orbital debris; velocities in space are mindboggling...

Khan was weakened from the ship crash from space when he fought Spock and was still dominating him (who was fresh and enraged)...heres the clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwGVSNv_H1U

How do you figure Khan and Kirk were moving at those speeds though?

And the reason he beat Spock is simply genetics/biology.

Even enraged, as I pointed out, Spock is half Vulcan meaning either he gets the full 2x-3x boost above a normal human, or he's enhanced but not as much as a full blood Vulcan.

Khan is supposed to be 5x a human. Meaning even at his best(3x), Spock is still weaker than him. So that's not that impressive that he let a guy who is his inferior by 2 times make it into such a fight.