Khan and Bane vs Captain America...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Heres the clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpwOajm3_5k

We are both wrong as Bane didnt punch straight through the column, but he did more than just crack it as well; he clearly punches into the thick column...

And you and Inhuman might notice that Banes fingers were uncovered when he fought Batman (his armguards ony extend down to his mid Metacarpals), so when he was damaging that column, that was raw power on display...

Also, HulkisHulk, when Scotty shot Khan in the head it was a sucker punch so to speak as Khan thought he and Kurt/Scooty were on sides...

But even that head shot didnt keep Khan down long...

As pertains Bane's skill level, it isnt as low as some of you remember, and he was fighting a fully armored Batman...

Caps strength is easily enough to knock out Khan. I wouldn't even give him 10 hits. 2-3 max would rock his world.

I also don't see Khan being skilled enough to hit Cap before Cap lands multiple solid hits on him. Spock was giving him a run for his money, and he looked like he was throwing school yard punches.

Spock has never displayed much skill in any of his fights. Not as a child, not when he beat up on Kirk(it was pretty much his stats and anger that let him beat him down), nor his fight against Khan.

He's a logic guy, not a fighter. He just has enhanced stats that help him fight.

Originally posted by KingD19

How do you figure Khan and Kirk were moving at those speeds though?

Ok, the fact that you even have to ask such a question lets me know that your knowledge of physics is lacking and I'm not about to sit here and give you a lecture on orbital mechanics...

Tell me, how fast do you think they were going in that scene?

[quote]And the reason he beat Spock is simply genetics/biology.

Agreed; Khan is absolutely superhuman...

Khan is supposed to be 5x a human. Meaning even at his best(3x), Spock is still weaker than him. So that's not that impressive that he let a guy who is his inferior by 2 times make it into such a fight

I'm not sure where you are getting that x5 a human thing at for Khan, but even if thats correct, I'm betting that it counts only for raw strength...not damage soak.

And once again, Khan was dominating a fresh, enraged, Spock after withstanding a crash from space....

I dont think you realize how great a feat that is...

Originally posted by Arachnid1
The phaser is a stun gun. I wouldn't say that it was a sucker punch since it did exactly what it was supposed to do, and it hit him square in the head. It would have knocked him out no matter the angle if he got shot in the head with a stun gun.

Caps strength is easily enough to knock out Khan. I wouldn't even give him 10 hits. 2-3 max would rock his world.

I also don't see Khan being skilled enough to hit Cap before Cap lands multiple solid hits on him. Spock was giving him a run for his money, and he looked like he was throwing school yard punches.

It was absolutely a sucker punch; Khan thought he was on the same side as Kurt and didnt see it coming...

As pertains to skill, Khan has been trained to fight in both the 20th century and in the era of Star Trek...I honestly think he has the advantage in that department.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
It was absolutely a sucker punch; Khan thought he was on the same side as Kurt and didnt see it coming...

As pertains to skill, Khan has been trained to fight in both the 20th century and in the era of Star Trek...I honestly think he has the advantage in that department.

It wasn't a sucker punch in that "he hit him by surprise and because he wasn't expecting it it did more damage than normal". He got shot in the face with a stun blaster. It's like it doesn't matter how good you can take a punch. If your brain jostles around and hits your skull, you get ko'd regardless.

It's stated in the Star Trek mythos. Vulcan's are 2x-3x stronger than an adult human of their size.

Khan and his fellow genetically enhanced/engineered super people are 5x. And it counts for his entire body. He's physically stronger, more durable, heals faster, etc...

Having a back and forth fight(while still winning)a guy who at best is 2x your inferior doesn't mean much.

Originally posted by KingD19
It wasn't a sucker punch in that "he hit him by surprise and because he wasn't expecting it it did more damage than normal". He got shot in the face with a stun blaster. It's like it doesn't matter how good you can take a punch. If your brain jostles around and hits your skull, you get ko'd regardless.

Common sense time...

You brace yourself when you know you are about to be hit; you dont brace yourself when you dont know a hit is coming...

This is the reason why a sucker punch is so much more damaging that a regular punch...

Now look, if you are going to debate, think about what you want to argue a little bit more before you do it as I'm wasting time debating with someone who cant grasp things that should be basic/common sense...

Originally posted by KingD19
It's stated in the Star Trek mythos. Vulcan's are 2x-3x stronger than an adult human of their size.

Khan and his fellow genetically enhanced/engineered super people are 5x. And it counts for his entire body. He's physically stronger, more durable, heals faster, etc...

Having a back and forth fight(while still winning)a guy who at best is 2x your inferior doesn't mean much.

Even if the fight comes after enduring a crash from space!???

Yes common sense. Like not equating a literal sucker punch( a punch you're not expecting) to a beam of energy meant to scramble your brain and knock you out hitting you directly in the skull.

You can brace all you want but it doesn't make a lick of difference considering it's a directed energy attack and not physical force.

You can be the strongest guy in the world, but a taser will still make your muscles constrict and knock you flat.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yes common sense. Like not equating a literal sucker punch( a punch you're not expecting) to a beam of energy meant to scramble your brain and knock you out hitting you directly in the skull.

You can brace all you want but it doesn't make a lick of difference considering it's a directed energy attack and not physical force.

You can be the strongest guy in the world, but a taser will still make your muscles constrict and knock you flat.

Same principle applies; if Khan knew the blast was coming he would have braced for it...

And as we both know, Khan is not a regular man (he's far stronger than the strongest guy in the world), his cells obviously can take more than normal people and if he's braced he can take more...

The taser example doest apply to Khan as he isnt a normal human (he's genetically altered); Khan resisted the Vulcan Neckpinch (which no normal human can resist) after crashing from space...

Basically you really want Khan to win, got it.

Cap wins 10/10.

Even if Khan was as insanely durable as you claim, he's not strong enough to put Cap down. And Cap has taken far more damage in stride than Khan is able to generate.

Originally posted by KingD19
Basically you really want Khan to win, got it.

Cap wins 10/10.

Even if Khan was as insanely durable as you claim, he's not strong enough to put Cap down. And Cap has taken far more damage in stride than Khan is able to generate.

FYI, I voted that Cap wins; check your assumptions as you really dont know what you are talking about here...

The point I'm getting at with my defending of Khan/Bane is that it isnt nearly as one sided as some of you make it out to be; you all marginalize what Khan and Bane bring to the table while putting Cap feats in the spotlight...

That ship crash from space possessed the kinetic energy of many atomic weapons; Khan tanked that and was still in fighting shape...that feat beats any and everything Cap has done or withstood.

With all of that said, I personally think Cap would win 6/10 against these guys (And I only give him that due to his shield; take that way and I think team wins 10/10); with every battle being bloody, brutal, and the winner staggering or crawling away...

It's not even a team fight. Bane would go down to human level people in Marvel like Widow and Hawkeye. He's an afterthought to Cap. Literally one good punch would kill Bane.

Khan is weaker than him, not as as good a fighter, etc...

How is he by himself(because believe Bane is going to be KO'd or broken in every single encounter) going to beat Cap? 4/10 times by your count?

I feel like we're underestimating Bane here... 😬

Cap still wins 10/10. At best Khan's damage soak just means he gets his a$$ kicked for a longer period of time before getting ko'd.

Originally posted by carthage
I feel like we're underestimating Bane here... 😬

We're not.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
FYI, [B]I voted that Cap wins; check your assumptions as you really dont know what you are talking about here...

The point I'm getting at with my defending of Khan/Bane is that it isnt nearly as one sided as some of you make it out to be; you all marginalize what Khan and Bane bring to the table while putting Cap feats in the spotlight...

That ship crash from space possessed the kinetic energy of many atomic weapons; Khan tanked that and was still in fighting shape...that feat beats any and everything Cap has done or withstood.

With all of that said, I personally think Cap would win 6/10 against these guys (And I only give him that due to his shield; take that way and I think team wins 10/10); with every battle being bloody, brutal, and the winner staggering or crawling away... [/B]

Holy wankage 😐

Originally posted by carthage
I feel like we're underestimating Bane here... 😬

How? I'd give 90's Bane a much better shot at Cap. Even though he's a venom addicted rage monster and a slave to Ivy, he's still more impressive than Nu-Bane.

His best feats are breaking Batman's(the weakest on screen ever) spine and punching some stucco or potentially concrete off a pillar.

We could use First Avenger Cap and Bane would still get his face pushed in.

Originally posted by KingD19

]It's not even a team fight. Bane would go down to human level people in Marvel like Widow and Hawkeye.

Bane only loses to Hawkeye if Hawkeye can successfully range and shoot him (Hawkeye gets rip apart in h2h combat against Bane); Black Widow dies horribly if she dares face Bane hand to hand...

[quote]He's an afterthought to Cap. Literally one good punch would kill Bane.

I disagree, but I do agree he is inferior to Cap; Bane was fighting an armored peak human when he fought Batman...losing to him is nothing to be ashamed of.

Khan is weaker than him, not as as good a fighter, etc...

Debatable; Khan has had more combat training than Cap and simply has a different fighting style than Cap...

How is he by himself(because believe Bane is going to be KO'd or broken in every single encounter) going to beat Cap? 4/10 times by your count?

I believe Khan has the damage soak to take what Cap is capable of dishing out; withstanding an impact at orbital velocity and a crash from space support this belief...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
FYI, [B]I
That ship crash from space possessed the kinetic energy of many atomic weapons; Khan tanked that and was still in fighting shape...that feat beats any and everything Cap has done or withstood.[/B]

Khan taking a phaser bolt to the head is not a sucker punch. I doesn't matter if he saw it or not. That blast to his head would knock him out. He's not going to tense up his brain lol. Sucker punches do their damage because people cant block, dodge, or react to them. If your claiming Khan could possibly avoid the blast to the head if he saw it coming, fine. Claiming that he could take a stun blast to the head while looking straight at it by tensing up? lol

There is no way Khan is more skilled than Cap either. All his training meant nothing since a person 2x's weaker than him was almost fighting him on equal ground. This is even less impressive since that person showed no real skill in H2H. You can see the massive skill difference in any fight Cap has ever had.

Cap is stronger, faster, more durable, and more skilled. He absolutely stomps. You could put him up against 5 Khans, and he'd still take 10/10.