Also, if we compare the TOR era (as in the few decades around the game, to make it comparable to Palpatine's time) to the PT era, Valkorion suffers way more setbacks than Sheev, in spite of having a millennium of prep advantage. And Sheev was able to react to and respond to unforeseen events, whereas Vitiate was ****ed when the HoT repeatedly foiled his plans, lol.
Hardly, all the Banite line did for Palpatine was give him the bare resources he needed to execute his plan. In reality the orchestration of the Republic's downfall was almost entirely his work. On the other hand Valkorion, on top of benefitting from the vast resources of his ancient Sith predecessors, did indeed spend millennia planning his (failed) invasion of Republic space.
Darth Bane had even less to work with than Valkorion at first, not to mention the Banite line operated for less than a thousand years whereas Vitiate had well over 1300. And where Sidious had to work off what others had built for him, Valkorion enjoyed what he himself worked up, which as slight of an advantage as it may be, is still an advantage. Sith always operate best on their own terms. And even then, it was only the latter Banite Sith who made any of the immediate preparations for Palpatine's ascendancy, and guess who made the vast majority of those preparations? Palpatine. And he was far more successful than Vitiate in spite of the advantages being entirely on Vitiate's side.
Not to mention that the TORists tend to call out the Banite line for the knowledge lost in the Gravid-Gean setback, but I guess that can be favorably ignored when it comes to a comparison such as this, eh?
Originally posted by SunRazer
Valkorion does want to rule the galaxy, just in an omnipotent way, like Sheev.Sheev ruled an infinitely vaster Empire that was founded on more than just forgotten worlds in the Unknown Regions.
Sheev wanted to rule the galaxy. Valkorion wanted to rule as a god and then destroy it. There's a significant difference.
Valkorion suffers way more setbacks than Sheev, in spite of having a millennium of prep advantage. And Sheev was able to react to and respond to unforeseen events, whereas Vitiate was ****ed when the HoT repeatedly foiled his plans, lol.
Sheev was able to react to and respond to unforseen events? Really? Such as the thermoexhaust port? Vader's turn back to the light side? Or perhaps Han shooting him in the back, lmao.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Sheev wanted to rule the galaxy. Valkorion wanted to rule as a god and then destroy it. There's a significant difference.
No, Vitiate wanted to wipe everything so that he could rule omnipotently and experience life in every way possible (a farmer, a doctor, etc - or whatever his ludicrous claim was in the game).
Sidious also wanted omnipotence. He just wasn't stupid enough to try and wipe everything in the galaxy in his quest for it, lol.
No, Vitiate wanted to wipe everything so that he could rule omnipotently and experience life in every way possible (a farmer, a doctor, etc - or whatever his ludicrous claim was in the game).Sidious also wanted omnipotence. He just wasn't stupid enough to try and wipe everything in the galaxy in his quest for it, lol.
Sidious wasn't stupid enough, he just didn't have the means Valkorion had, so he had to rule the galaxy as an Emperor.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Sidious wasn't stupid enough, he just didn't have the means Valkorion had, so he had to rule the galaxy as an Emperor.
Depends on the sources you take, but I'm not going to get into a debate on that.
The fact is that Sidious' accomplishments are better than Vitiate's by a considerable margin, even though the latter has every advantage in the book. Not to mention Sheev's legacy is also superior. With respects to galactic importance, Sheev outstrips Vitiate by a country mile.
Depends on the sources you take, but I'm not going to get into a debate on that.
The fact is that Sidious' accomplishments are better than Vitiate's by a considerable margin, even though the latter has every advantage in the book. Not to mention Sheev's legacy is also superior. With respects to galactic importance, Sheev outstrips Vitiate by a country mile.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Weird, in the other thread you're doing just that because it helps your argument. Valkorion straight up said he wanted to destroy the galaxy so can experience life the way he wants, alone. Palpatine wanted to rule.
No, I'm just not going to get into an argument over whether or not Palpatine could also destroy the galaxy, lol.
No, Palpatine wanted to be all-powerful. He makes this clear in sources like BoS.
With respects to galactic importance, sure. But then again, Valkorion and Sheev always had different goals.
Which is a red herring, because we're not interested in goals, but impacts.
No, I'm just not going to get into an argument over whether or not Palpatine could also destroy the galaxy, lol.No, Palpatine wanted to be all-powerful. He makes this clear in sources like BoS.
Which is a red herring, because we're not interested in goals, but impacts.
I'm not sure you know what a red herring is. You're saying on a scale of galactic importance, Palpatine was better because he did what he set out to do, which was to rule the galaxy. In that way he was better than Valkorion because Valkorion's goals were different AND he wasn't able to destroy all life in the galaxy.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Quote? As far as I know, Palpatine wanted to rule the galaxy. Valkorion wanted to destroy it. Once again, two different motivations.
Palpatine muses in BoS that he's getting ever closer to being all-powerful, which he makes clear is his goal, and I think he does it more than once too. Somebody else is sleeping in my house right now, and I don't want to activate the stupid holocron sound effect to get the book, lol. Maybe I'll quote it for you another time, or somebody else can.
I'm not sure you know what a red herring is. You're saying on a scale of galactic importance, Palpatine was better because he did what he set out to do, which was to rule the galaxy. In that way he was better than Valkorion because Valkorion's goals were different AND he wasn't able to destroy all life in the galaxy.
Oh, I'm entirely aware of a what a red herring is. It's a red herring because you're deflecting the comparison to an area of comparison that would be favorable towards Valkorion, but ultimately, it's irrelevant. Nowhere in the OP does it say that we consider goals or ambitions. This is solely based on the impact they left behind in the galaxy, and Sidious utterly destroys Vitiate in that regard.