Originally posted by operator616This was also one of the predominate themes of v4. Hal's self-imposed limitations and whatnot drastically hindered the amount of Spectre's power he was able to manifest(until he acclimated to that power/status, of course.)
Perhaps i wasn't clear before, The spectre's power being dependent on its host is not a theory but a fact actually. It's been outright stated on panel.And confirmed by the bio.
Originally posted by operator616
Peak/High end Spectre would be on LT's level, yes.Yes, Ostrander's run, issue #7. Xanadu definitely wasn't wrong. First of all, she said that if the Spectre has no host it drifts away from being human (and we know this is true as seen in previous accounts where a hostless Spectre destroys Sodom and Gomorrah, and also the entire DoV is proof of this). Clearly she has a good idea of Spectre's nature. Xanadu wasn't "wrong" about controlling the Spectre, she just let her feelings get in the way. She couldn't be objective about judging people, that's all. That doesn't mean she doesn't know how the Spectre's powers work. Xanadu is regarded as being one of top of DC's mystics.
Bios can be used when they confirm what's been shown on panel, and that's exactly what i did. And even then, there are plenty of implications of such, you provided one. In Ostrander's run for instance, Spectre was able to easily defeat Nabu whom he could simply un-create, in DoV however he wasn't able to do so. I also recall the power fluctuation being implied in the Ramban arc.
RAMBAN!
Criminally underrated, awesome character.
And good argument.
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The "highest" portrayal of the LT, is when he "fashioned" Two comic book lines in one hand.
That's also the Spectre's "highest" showing imo.
The LT had to "consult" with Spectre before manipulating the Two comic book lines.
Imo, this tells me, Spectre was capable of the same thing since he was the LT's peer in the showing.
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... case and point .. the LT and Spectre are equals when at their best.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
No matter how many times you repeat this, it's still a false statement.
Hahaha, right.
Whine more.
Not the multiversal LT.
Also, let's use honest language. This is not running:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111132213/4373250-9897548435-32254.jpg
There was only one LT back then.
And yes, it was running away from Korvac.
It is a retcon from Starlin himself, and explicitly referenced LT's death at the hands of the Beyonders during SW:
http://i.imgur.com/vvqnuTq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eoVDwX7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T40CATC.jpg
So yes, it is very much official/canon.
So LT's still dead?
Haven't even got past Hickman's Avenger's runs, let alone kept up with Secret Wars or been into the Civil War bs (I know Hickman has fans, but all I see is a combination of writing characters as jerks, and using the medium to soapbox his ideology... which could work with something like Transmetropolitan, but isn't why I read hero comics..)
Originally posted by Galan007
It is a retcon from Starlin himself, and explicitly referenced LT's death at the hands of the Beyonders during SW:
http://i.imgur.com/vvqnuTq.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/eoVDwX7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T40CATC.jpgSo yes, it is very much official/canon.
IMHO, Starlin did what he could to make sense of and undo Hickman's garbage.
In Infinity Revelations Adam Warlock absorbed a mirror reality which supposedly had its own Living Tribunal and host of abstract entities. We then learn—in Infinity Entity 1-4—that this Adam Warlock survived the end of the Multiverse and made it into the new one.
In Infinity Finale Adam is asked by the Above-All-Others to replace the Living Tribunal who had been killed by the Beyonders and he accepts.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, right.Whine more.
There was only one LT back then.
And yes, it was running away from Korvac.
Nope. Starlin has for the most part always written a single universe LT and even stated that he did not really write about alternate universes until Infinity Finale. Starlin's LT from Marvel: The End is officially designated as the LT of that particular reality. So basically, any LT written by Starlin is a single universe LT.
Starlin is the only writer who does this and it appears that Hickman addresses the fact that Starlin contradicts everyone else by showing the existence of LT Slivers.
LT fled from Korvac's universe means less than nothing imo.
Since LT never confronted Korvac, and was never even noticed by Korvac,
LT did nothing, and nothing happened to him for me to care about this.
Plot called for Korvac to UN the universe,
otherwise,
LT would've used his effortless universal manipulating power on Korvac, instead of a freakin single tiny sun.
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LT had his hands tied behind his back by Gruenwald. Simplistic plot constrictions.
Especially when we see LT use the local sun against a guy
who absorbed a host of Celestials amongst other cosmic powers for crying out loud.
Yet the same LT demonstrated at-least pure universal manipulation in said story.
Interesting.
His "ultimate judgement" was petty and he used an external source to attack Korvac
instead of his own power directly due to plot. You missed that friend.
If the LT had curbstomped Korvac with a force bolt, like the one he used on THOTI, then the plot can't run it's course:
(Korvac feeling despair due to universal failure so he UN's the universe)
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LT should have never been there imo. It was a dumb conception I'll give ya that.
As for the "lol" at the LT's "ultimate judgement" which was making the local sun go nova:
I rather think the LT was redeemed when we see him use HIS OWN power,
like sealing Korvac's entire universe in an impenetrable barrier, no one escapes ...
... basically disconnecting the joint from the mulitiverse.
LT did that as he left, ... so, that means ... with a thought! stoned
See, dumb shit.
Silly LT using a freakin puny sun instead of THIS kind of power ey.
