Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That revelation actually affirms the [B]fallibility of opinion of those Jedi. It doesn't places him even on par with Qui-Gon Jinn. It just tells us that Anoon Bondara have considerable dueling skills. This is not a standout accolade (far from it).Lord Scourge's accolade is not from the perspective of anybody but authoritative. He is affirmed as an expert swordsman who wields his weapon with such level of expertise it that it appears to be an extension of his will. His skills are such that even his instructors became reluctant to spar with him at some point. This is an impressive accolade (not something you come across very often). [/B]
The level of self contradiction here is beyond staggering, but hardly surprising coming from you. Someone who didn't know better might assume that the first and second paragraph were from two opposing debaters. 😂
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That revelation actually affirms the [B]fallibility of opinion of those Jedi. It doesn't places him even on par with Qui-Gon Jinn. It just tells us that Anoon Bondara have considerable dueling skills. This is not a standout accolade (far from it).Lord Scourge's accolade is not from the perspective of anybody but authoritative. He is affirmed as an expert swordsman who wields his weapon with such level of expertise it that it appears to be an extension of his will. His skills are such that even his instructors became reluctant to spar with him at some point. This is an impressive accolade (not something you come across very often). [/B]
Originally posted by The Ellimist
The level of self contradiction here is beyond staggering, but hardly surprising coming from you. Someone who didn't know better might assume that the first and second paragraph were from two opposing debaters. 😂
Originally posted by The Ellimist
> being considered good by no-name lightsaber instructors = solid 10/10 accolade
Your half-truths are not even amusing.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
> being considered the best swordsman in the entire Jedi Order = meaningless subjective opinion
Your have comprehension problem, kid. You need to go back to school.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
0/10 solid Ant tier logic
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That revelation actually affirms the [B]fallibility of opinion of those Jedi. It doesn't places him even on par with Qui-Gon Jinn. It just tells us that Anoon Bondara have considerable dueling skills. This is not a standout accolade (far from it).Lord Scourge's accolade is not from the perspective of anybody but authoritative. He is affirmed as an expert swordsman who wields his weapon with such level of expertise it that it appears to be an extension of his will. His skills are such that even his instructors became reluctant to spar with him at some point. This is an impressive accolade (not something you come across very often). [/B]
Trying my hardest to move aside the blatant double standards here, but I KNOW that those Jedi were wrong about Bondara being the best. The simple fact of the matter is that if he can get a respectable amount of people to think that he's the best in the Order, he's obviously very good.
Those instructors who were afraid of challenging Scourge have nothing to their name. They could well be fodder. I don't know how you reckon that them being hesitant to face Scourge comes off as better than Bondara being widely regarded as not one of the best, but THE best in the Order. You either fail to comprehend it (hence your "this is not a standout accolade"😉, or you're deliberately trying to undersell it because you're out of options.
By the way, making your lightsaber become an extension of your will is something that every Jedi/Sith is trained to do. That's the objective of you wielding a lightsaber. Any reputable practitioner of a lightsaber can turn his weapon into an extension of his will. I find it mind-numbingly difficult to believe that you can so casually undersell Bondara's accolade yet inject such unrelenting fervor into upholding Scourge's clearly inferior accolades. But of course, that's why you contradicted yourself...
Originally posted by SunRazer
"Renowned for his skill with the lightsaber, Jedi Master Anoon Bondara is [b]regarded by many of his peers and all of his apprentices as a role model whose combat prowess is unmatched in the Jedi Order. Bondara would disagree with this assesment. During his tenure at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, he spars with superior lightsaber duelists such as Qui-Gon Jinn and Mace Windu. Although he humbles himself when compared to their skill, Bondara's prowess is nontheless considerable."-- Jedi Academy Training Manual[/B]
That's hardly Bondara's only hype;
His[Anoon] skill with a lightsaber was second to none.
And, of course, Darsha believing she isn't even a tenth of Anoon and she managed to handle Maul for a bit:
Darsha hoped that one day she might be able to exhibit a tenth of Anoon Bondara's adeptness.
Why is Qui-Gon VS Scourge even a debate? lol
You know Leg, even by your standards I'm really shocked that you're having such a tough time grasping this, and that instead of feeling embarrassment over your inability, you decide to insult and condescend on others for their jealously superior cognitive faculties. This might actually be worse than your "Vitiate's telepathy is scarier!" argument, and I thought that was going to remain on the throne of your lolfailures for a little longer than that.
Essentially your entire case is that Bondara wasn't actually the best swordsman in the order, so his accolade is inferior to Scourge's. This is sh*t, Ant-tier logic. The fact that Bondara was even considered as a candidate for that position is more impressive than Scourge's intimidating of lightsaber instructors. Analogously, someone who is the runner up for NFL mvp is probably a better football player than someone who is named the best high school football player in his state, even though the latter technically "won" while the former didn't. An Olympic silver medalist is likewise better than a regional high school champion. Do you get the gist? Your grasp of - I guess it's really an intuitive statistical analysis - is pretty wanting.
Dumbed down version: second best in a world tournament > first place in a state tournament. Does that make sense?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Those instructors perceived Lord Scourge good [to an extent] that they became reluctant to confront him at some point (Their identity was not important for the story by the way).Your half-truths are not even amusing.
I would be reluctant to play a one on one basketball game with my friend Chris. I also think Stephen Curry is the best basketball player in the world. By your logic, the former actually signals more than the latter. Thankfully, most societal systems do not employ your logic.
BTW, their reluctance is derived from their PERCEPTION of Scourge's abilities, which means that your accolade faces the same fallibility weakness that you've trotted on ours for. That I actually have to explain this to you is truly, and utterly astounding.
Not a single source confirms Anoon Bondara as the best swordsman in the entire Jedi Order. The relevant revelation is that while some peers of Anoon perceived him to be the best swordsman in the Order, Anoon himself disagreed with this assessment. The same revelation then confirmed that Anoon was inferior to Qui-Gon Jinn in skill but had considerable skills nonetheless. Nothing ****ing grand here. Every Jedi Master (and his mom) is stated to have considerable dueling skills during PT era.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
The self-contradiction here is actually too ridiculous to believe. I feel like I'm watching a character in a sitcom. Or maybe you're secretly the most subtle troll that has ever graced KMC.
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In high school, I was able to solve some calculus problems faster than my teacher could. A lot of kids in my class said that I could explain concepts to them better than said teacher.
Many people consider Terence Tao to be the greatest mathematician in the world, but I wouldn't be surprised if Terence would deny it, and it's very possible that there are others who are superior.
By your Ant-tier logic, I must be better at math than Terry Tao.
Now I'm not sure if you can understand analogies very well, so I'll be a little more forthright: yes, Anoon is not actually the best duelist in the era [at least overall - we're not sure about technical skill]. But the fact that he was even seriously considered is STILL a superior accolade in spite of his losing to Qui-Gon to making some instructors reluctant to face him.
Seriously, everyone else has gotten it. Why can't you?
Your have comprehension problem, kid. You need to go back to school.
Given your age and demonstrated debating ability, I somehow doubt that you did very well in school yourself. You shouldn't tempt me to try to go after your personal life.
Your falsehood have no limits.
How many years is it going to take to learn the difference between "has" and "have"?
Originally posted by The Ellimist
You know Leg, even by your standards I'm really shocked that you're having such a tough time grasping this, and that instead of feeling embarrassment over your inability, you decide to insult and condescend on others for their jealously superior cognitive faculties. This might actually be worse than your "Vitiate's telepathy is scarier!" argument, and I thought that was going to remain on the throne of your lolfailures for a little longer than that.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Essentially your entire case is that Bondara wasn't actually the best swordsman in the order, so his accolade is inferior to Scourge's. This is sh*t, Ant-tier logic. The fact that Bondara was even considered as a candidate for that position is more impressive than Scourge's intimidating of lightsaber instructors. Analogously, someone who is the runner up for NFL mvp is probably a better football player than someone who is named the best high school football player in his state, even though the latter technically "won" while the former didn't. An Olympic silver medalist is likewise better than a regional high school champion. Do you get the gist? Your grasp of - I guess it's really an intuitive statistical analysis - is pretty wanting.Dumbed down version: second best in a world tournament > first place in a state tournament. Does that make sense?
I would be reluctant to play a one on one basketball game with my friend Chris. I also think Stephen Curry is the best basketball player in the world. By your logic, the former actually signals more than the latter. Thankfully, most societal systems do not employ your logic.
BTW, their reluctance is derived from their PERCEPTION of Scourge's abilities, which means that your accolade faces the same fallibility weakness that you've trotted on ours for. That I actually have to explain this to you is truly, and utterly astounding.
I still don't find Anoon Bondara's revelation more impressive at all. Anoon (himself) disagreed with the opinion of his peers about his skills and the revelation explicitly pointed out that he was inferior to Qui Gon Jinn. The revelation is actually calling a spade a spade.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!The self-contradiction here is actually too ridiculous to believe. I feel like I'm watching a character in a sitcom. Or maybe you're secretly the most subtle troll that has ever graced KMC.
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In high school, I was able to solve some calculus problems faster than my teacher could. A lot of kids in my class said that I could explain concepts to them better than said teacher.
Many people consider Terence Tao to be the greatest mathematician in the world, but I wouldn't be surprised if Terence would deny it, and it's very possible that there are others who are superior.
By your Ant-tier logic, I must be better at math than Terry Tao.
Now I'm not sure if you can understand analogies very well, so I'll be a little more forthright: yes, Anoon is not actually the best duelist in the era [at least overall - we're not sure about technical skill]. But the fact that he was even seriously considered is STILL a superior accolade in spite of his losing to Qui-Gon to making some instructors reluctant to face him.
Seriously, everyone else has gotten it. Why can't you?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I still don't find Anoon Bondara's revelation more impressive at all. Anoon (himself) disagreed with the opinion of his peers about his skills and the revelation explicitly pointed out that he was inferior to Qui Gon Jinn. The revelation is actually calling a spade a spade.
So he's a humble guy, like any other Jedi. Not sure how this disproves his skills in combat.