Originally posted by MythLord
Errors? You mean you trying to overexaggerate context?The problem is Anakin is almost always enraged. It's his basic mindset to be angry in combat. The guy's just an aggressive fighter.
That's practically throwing it. Doesn't change the fact that Skywalker threw a tank a greater distance and with greater ease than someone like, say, Mace Windu.
Amazing appeal to ignorance, Syndicate. But I think it goes without saying Anakin will be doing more work than Obi-Wan seeing as how a "whipcrack as negligent as a flick of a wrist" of Dooku's power can dispatch Kenobi.
And an ad hominem... Wow, you're on fire today. But lets read what the quote says:
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Source: Revenge of the Sith novel
No I mean you're blatant errors made in the post above. 🙂
Except he's not. He's almost always conflicted trying to hold back his anger because it's not the Jedi way. We see this throughout his fight with Dooku.
Except it's not. Lifting the wight of an ATET and gathering momentum to launch it takes more energy then simply creating enough momentum for it to skid across the ground.
We've been over this Wolf. It was the suddenness of the attack that took Obi Wan off guard not the power of it.
"He reached for the Force to counter Dooku, but the attack had been too sudden." - Revenge of the Sith.
And what is that supposed to prove? Simply because Dooku too Obi Wan off guard with a force attack that doesn't have any relation with the amount of energy Dooku needs to block Anakin's blows.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
@Syn No I'm saying Anakin's growth curve makes sense considering his sons, and in general the normal rules don't apply to a the Chosen One.
Regardless the fact stands that him becoming "vastly" more powerful doesn't mean he had to have eclipsed Dooku in his Force powers, significantly or otherwise. You have not established Anakin's growth curve at all, and pointing to Luke's is a blatant red herring. Anakin has never progressed like Luke did.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Neph continues to blatantly ignore the parts of what he's quoting that point out Anakin's power growth from TCW to RotS. Strangely enough his silence on the latter remains one of his better arguments. 👆
I've no clue what you're talking about. Is that "vastly" thing? I already said it's not a quantifiable growth that puts him above Dooku.
Originally posted by Syndicate
No I mean you're blatant errors made in the post above. 🙂
Originally posted by Syndicate
Except he's not. He's almost always conflicted trying to hold back his anger because it's not the Jedi way. We see this throughout his fight with Dooku.
The fight where he was winning? Thank you for proving my point.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Except it's not. Lifting the wight of an ATET and gathering momentum to launch it takes more energy then simply creating enough momentum for it to skid across the ground.
Mace didn't lift it, though. He just pushed it.
Originally posted by Syndicate
We've been over this Wolf. It was the suddenness of the attack that took Obi Wan off guard not the power of it.
Yet, if Kenobi could counter is impossible to tell since he didn't get the chance to, plus it was a negligable amount of power from Dooku, so if Obi-Wan drew on more power to counter, Dooku would pour more power in the grip. Not to mention, you're talking about two completely different scenarios. I'm talking about how Dooku incapacitated Kenobi with a "whipcrack of his power",whereas you're talking about Dooku choking Kenobi.
Originally posted by Syndicate
And what is that supposed to prove? Simply because Dooku too Obi Wan off guard with a force attack that doesn't have any relation with the amount of energy Dooku needs to block Anakin's blows.
Yet, as the quote says, it does. It took him more power to block a blow from Anakin than it did for him to dispatch Obi-Wan.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, no he didn't.
What movie did you watch?
https://youtu.be/Q6zGXR32dNE?t=61
Originally posted by Nephthys
In fact in that movie, even Ventress whoops Anakin with TK and has him dead to rights before Ahsoka saves him.
So Asajj floors him with TK(which lesser Force users have done to more powerful ones dozens of times) so that means Anakin is a bad Force user now? Also let's not forget that it's non-canon. It's about as valid as Maul pinning Sidious. LOL. Let's not forget Anakin in his prime would dominate Asajj any day of the week.
Originally posted by NephthysIn means he definitely surpassed him, which is what you argued he didn't, don't change the goal posts now.
Regardless the fact stands that him becoming "vastly" more powerful doesn't mean he had to have eclipsed Dooku in his Force powers, significantly or otherwise. You have not established Anakin's growth curve at all, and pointing to Luke's is a blatant red herring. Anakin has never progressed like Luke did.
And the quote establishes it my friend, plain and simple, as does the fact he goes from getting handily defeated by Dooku in combat then one-shotted by his powers in AoTC, to giving him almost no advantage less than a few months later, to then giving Dooku difficulty mid-Clone Wars and shrugging off his Force powers, to ultimately surpassing and defeating him. In three years, that's prodigal growth, because he's the Chosen One lmao.
Originally posted by SyndicateErm, by looking up the dictionary definition of vast? 😬
Well then we have to establish how much he's grown. How do you suggest that be done?
Neph, given your Scourge vs. Obi Wan arguments, I find it amusing that you've finally grasped the concept of quantifying growth curves. You are, steadily, gaining elementary abilities. This pleases me.
As for putting him vs. Dooku, the narrator says that Tyranus's mastery of the Force is rendered a joke against Anakin.
Originally posted by MythLord
Which you decided to counter balance with your own errors?The fight where he was winning? Thank you for proving my point.
Mace didn't lift it, though. He just pushed it.
Yet, if Kenobi could counter is impossible to tell since he didn't get the chance to, plus it was a negligable amount of power from Dooku, so if Obi-Wan drew on more power to counter, Dooku would pour more power in the grip. Not to mention, you're talking about two completely different scenarios. I'm talking about how Dooku incapacitated Kenobi with a "whipcrack of his power",whereas you're talking about Dooku choking Kenobi.
Yet, as the quote says, it does. It took him more power to block a blow from Anakin than it did for him to dispatch Obi-Wan.
What movie did you watch?
https://youtu.be/Q6zGXR32dNE?t=61
So Asajj floors him with TK(which lesser Force users have done to more powerful ones dozens of times) so that means Anakin is a bad Force user now? LOL. Let's not forget Anakin in his prime would dominate Asajj any day of the week.
If you'd like to think that you can.
How did I prove your point? You were trying to say he was angry all the time in almost all of his fights. At least stick to the topic at hand.
0_o We're not talking about Mace... We're talking about Anakin.
The text infers that Obi Wan was going to counter it if it hadn't been so sudden otherwise it would have mentioned something like Dooku's power being too much for him.
Also if Obi Wan couldn't counter a grip/choke because it was so "sudden" I imagine a "whipcrack" of power would be too fast for Obi Wan to have countered as well.
An Obi Wan who did not have his defenses raised.
Nice ignoring that Ventress wasn't in her prime either. Lol.