TPM vs TFA

Engaging characters, great direction + snappy and energetic dialogue >>>>>> Boring, monotone assholes, Over-CGI'd, dead-looking shots and locations, utter pigshit dialogue, Child Anakin and Jar Jar Binks.

Originally posted by Sinious
LOL @ comparing using a couple non white male characters to what TPM was going for.

You mean a movie with a totally white cast except for a dude in two scenes? Telling Anakin's backstory is every bit as "safe" as what TFA did. Lucas wanted more money so he did more Vader.

Originally posted by Sinious
LOL @ comparing using a couple non white male characters to what TPM was going for. Agreed. I just hope we get to see Starkiller Base II in Return of the Return of the Jedi. 👆

👆

TFA and Abrams don't have any balls. For all his failures in the PT, Lucas had the testicular fortitude to tell a largely original story.

Not to mention the story of the PT is better than probably anything else in SW.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Engaging characters, great direction + snappy and energetic dialogue >>>>>> Boring, monotone assholes, Over-CGI'd, dead-looking shots and locations, utter pigshit dialogue, Child Anakin and Jar Jar Binks.

You mean a movie with a totally white cast except for a dude in two scenes? Telling Anakin's backstory is every bit as "safe" as what TFA did. Lucas wanted more money so he did more Vader.

I agree that the Prequels opened and defined the Star Wars universe in a way that the previous films hadn't. They generated lots of storytelling potential. That doesn't mean that they were comparable as films unto themselves.

Yes, but if you are involved with the material enough (which we all are), the movies start representing a vaster world as you watch it, which has an affect on how much you enjoy the movie experience. More importantly, if TFA was a great and original film, but was a really shitty era, then I'd be more open-minded about it, but it's a remake.

👆 To all the above.

And lol at casting a black and female actor being daring, that's called pandering times with something well overdue, of course it was going to be well received.

You know what would be actually daring? Making Poe and Finn an actual romance (which would actually add substantive narrative quality), but as if that would ever happen.

Originally posted by Sinious
Not to mention the story of the PT is better than probably anything else in SW.

haermm

No way man. No ****ing way.

Originally posted by Sinious
I'm surprised how you treat this just as a movie. A new Star Wars trilogy means a complete new era. TPM started the PT era which now is the biggest part of the franchise. TPM obviously has shitty characters, dialogue and direction, but it brought countless new concepts to the lore. OT introduced SW to us, but PT defined it. TFA ignored every development we saw after 1999, and just created a less white cast, then reshot the OT. Did it remind us of the movies you love for a while? Sure. Was it fun to see a SW movie in 2015? Sure. As a person who is invested in SW more than the average fan, that is not enough for me to put it above TPM, and as a person who has spent time in SW 10 times more than I did, I feel like you should be more pissed than I am, since you're gonna have to debate the shittier versions of the movies you already saw.

I don't give a shit about any of that. Any movie set during that period would have introduced the same concepts. TPM could have done that and been a good movie at the same time. A movies quality depends upon the movie itself. Stupid fanboy concerns about "the greater lore" are insignificant.

And I would consider it a pleasure to discuss TFA since it's filled with characters I actually enjoy and has a sense of infectious energy to it. Personally I find it a chore to talk about the PT because it's stuffed with hundreds of insufferable turds and idiocies. I have little investment in that period because Lucas completely failed to capture mine in his films. I only like 2 characters in the whole PT and that's Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Sidious. I kind of like Qui-Gon but I assure you it's in spite of TPM, not because of it.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
👆 To all the above.

And lol at casting a black and female actor being daring, that's called pandering times with something well overdue, of course it was going to be well received.

You know what would be actually daring? Making Poe and Finn an actual romance (which would actually add substantive narrative quality), but as if that would ever happen.

It's more daring than casting an almost fully white cast with some token blacks and horribly racist stereotypes like Jar Jar and Nute Gunray.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Engaging characters, great direction + snappy and energetic dialogue >>>>>> Boring, monotone assholes, Over-CGI'd, dead-looking shots and locations, utter pigshit dialogue, Child Anakin and Jar Jar Binks.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You know what would be actually daring? Making Poe and Finn an actual romance (which would actually add substantive narrative quality), but as if that would ever happen.

Originally posted by Sinious
LOL @ comparing using a couple non white male characters to what TPM was going for. Agreed. I just hope we get to see Starkiller Base II in Return of the Return of the Jedi. 👆

I mean, all movie critics gave this an above average score ans your personal opinion won't change that.

Even after the flaws were pointed out it was still getting near-perfect scores.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Tbh I never got a romantic vibe from Finn and Poe so that would feel forced if they did that IMO

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's more daring than casting an almost fully white cast with some token blacks and horribly racist stereotypes like Jar Jar and Nute Gunray.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I mean, all movie critics gave this an above average score ans your personal opinion won't change that.

Even after the flaws were pointed out it was still getting near-perfect scores.

Originally posted by Nephthys
haermm

No way man. No ****ing way.

I don't give a shit about any of that. Any movie set during that period would have introduced the same concepts. TPM could have done that and been a good movie at the same time. A movies quality depends upon the movie itself. Stupid fanboy concerns about "the greater lore" are insignificant.

And I would consider it a pleasure to discuss TFA since it's filled with characters I actually enjoy and has a sense of infectious energy to it. Personally I find it a chore to talk about the PT because it's stuffed with hundreds of insufferable turds and idiocies. I have litter investment in that period because Lucas completely failed to capture it in his films.

I don't think we'll get FinnXRey, honestly. To me they just treated it like a cute crush for Finn, and Rey seemed completely disinterested or oblivious.

Yeah that's why I feel like it would be forced, but I'm not seeing any other romance possibilities.

Maybe they decided to throw that out entirely along with political exposition?

Adding more black people makes our movie daring!

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Adding more black people makes our movie daring!

Have you been in any movies? 🙂

It depends. Will future movies give Luke and co. enough high-end feats?

In the vein of the OT, only Rey will have any feats whatsoever. And high end does not describe them.

Nah. Yoda lifted an X-wing in ESB, that's old school though. If they're gonna copy episode V they should have Luke move a mountain or a moon.

Yoda moving an X-wing isn't even a high end feat for the OT, lel.