Silver Surfer vs The Elite

First of all Surfer is technically fast enough to pretty much kill 99% of the Elite before they can do anything. Coldcast is the only immensely durable one, and he's not going to be able to defeat Surfer by himself. Not when he has no way to deal with someone who can phase or open up black holes or absorb energy or any of that shit.

The only real counter to this will be "But he doesn't usually fight like that".

Originally posted by Surtur
First of all Surfer is technically fast enough to pretty much kill 99% of the Elite before they can do anything. Coldcast is the only immensely durable one, and he's not going to be able to defeat Surfer by himself. Not when he has no way to deal with someone who can phase or open up black holes or absorb energy or any of that shit.

The only real counter to this will be "But he doesn't usually fight like that".

How durable do you think an unprepared Manchester Black is?

That opening up black hole shit needs to stop. He's never done it. And he doesnt speed blitz he does spam energy blasts. That said the elite is not taking him down. Surfer could likely amp off coldcast. Hat isnt durable enough...etc etc. Has anyone made a compelling argument for why the elite would win?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As you basically handwaved everything I said, I'll just respond to the points which weren't 'na-uh, nonsense'.

Nonsense, eh?

Only the JSA, eh?

I see GA, Menagerie, and the ravens of Manitou in the background. Three members of the Elite.

For abhi.

@Sin: No.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That opening up black hole shit needs to stop. He's never done it. And he doesnt speed blitz he does spam energy blasts. That said the elite is not taking him down. Surfer could likely amp off coldcast. Hat isnt durable enough...etc etc. Has anyone made a compelling argument for why the elite would win?

So you are saying not once has he ever done anything with a black hole?

I see, I found a feat where he apparently destroys something and a black hole is left in its wake.

Originally posted by Surtur
How durable do you think an unprepared Manchester Black is?

Originally posted by Surtur
So you are saying not once has he ever done anything with a black hole?

I see, I found a feat where he apparently destroys something and a black hole is left in its wake.

He's never done anything directly with a black hole. Nor singularities or fluid in peoples eyes. Do you have such a scan?

Also lol@ "do not say hungry hole again if you value your continued existence".

And?

Originally posted by Surtur

Also lol@ "do not say hungry hole again if you value your continued existence".

That's indirect. Caused by the planet he destroyed.

And..what? She asked me for a scan of what I was referring to with the whole "he destroyed something and left a black hole behind" thing.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's indirect. Caused by the planet he destroyed.

Just to be clear, you're not saying that the planet itself caused it, right? As in, if any random person destroyed this planet it would leave a black hole?

You are indeed acknowledging the black hole came as a result of Silver Surfer's powers, albeit indirectly?

Which I mean.."creates black hole as a side effect of energy powers" is pretty neat in itself when it comes to reasons he's better then Coldcast.

Originally posted by Surtur
And..what? She asked me for a scan of what I was referring to with the whole "he destroyed something and left a black hole behind" thing.

Originally posted by Surtur
Just to be clear, you're not saying that the planet itself caused it, right? As in, if any random person destroyed this planet it would leave a black hole?

You are indeed acknowledging the black hole came as a result of Silver Surfer's powers, albeit indirectly?

Which I mean.."creates black hole as a side effect of energy powers" is pretty neat in itself when it comes to reasons he's better then Coldcast.

Yes I'm saying he didn't intentionally cause it and that it was a result of both his power and the Planete destruction. Just not a fan of characters being given awarded powers they haven't displayed. Secondly you are correct cold cast can do nothing to him

Originally posted by abhilegend
How does it matter into a fight?

I was just listing reasons he is better then Coldcast. If he can output so much energy he rips a hole in time and space then well..Coldcast is kinda f*cked.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yes I'm saying he didn't intentionally cause it and that it was a result of both his power and the Planete destruction. Just not a fan of characters being given awarded powers they haven't displayed. Secondly you are correct cold cast can do nothing to him

Well yes, but he does make it sound like it was the energy discharge that was so powerful it created a singularity. Rather then Surfer specifically thinking "create a singularity" when he did it. I'm guessing it would become more clear if one was able to read the entire issue.

Though I had thought he'd created a black hole on purpose at one time, but it could of been Stardust I was thinking of. Or it could of been his opponent who did it, Ravenous? Since I thought it was when Surfer fought him. Or that it at least happened around the time that whole arc was going on.

Btw what's the distance of earth to saturn?
http://i.imgur.com/qG9gKEQ.jpg

When Earth and Saturn are at their closest it's about a little over a billion kilometers. For those who don't know 1 kilometer is equal to like a little over half a mile.