Abstract Luthor vs. Abraxas

Originally posted by Mr Master
When the LT confronted Starlin's IG, Starlin had the LT as a representative of TOAA's power.

Interesting question though, I still don't know for sure.
Starlin has recently changed the concept of the LT, and also Marvel's cosmology.
The characters are the same, but now every universe (of significance) is a copy of 616. (concerning the abstracts that is)
The cosmic hierarchy (specially Eternity/Infinity and LT) are the most powerful entities in any given universe,
and if you're = or above them, you're considered a "God."

Hickman, on the other hand, has a slightly different interpretation.
The LT is the final stage, the embodiment of the Multiverse,
while Eternity/Infinity are the universal embodiments of every individual universe.
Don't ask me how the LT ends up being the sum of them. That's some Hickman bullshit.

Both Hickman and Starlin regard the BeyonderS as above their hierarchies.

He doesn't, cause he's retconned. But if he did exist today, as what he was supposed to be then,
he'd still be the most powerful cat ever.

Today, he would be the embodiment/entirety of the Beyond Realm.

The Beyond Realm is so vast, (even after Beyonder's retcon)
that the rest of Marvel "dwindles into insignificance" next to it.

OT, abraxas shitstomps, if the multiversal embodiments of eternity/infinity were helpless,luthor gets turned to a worm.

😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Luthor easily.

Hahahhahaahahhahahaha...

Someone is upset.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Someone is upset.

Not really.

Yes really.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes really.

Molecule Man stomps.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Luthor can't win, no matter what happens. At the end he'll just freak out and decide he needs to direct all his power in an attempt to f*ck with Superman.

That is how Lex rolls.

^ Tbh, this really is a bit of a catch-22 for Luthor. I have absolutely NO doubt that Abraxas would be rendered benign within Luthor's universe. That is to say: Abraxas won't be collapsing the universe or w/e... If Luthor's power could negate Death of the Endless, it will negate Abraxas.

The thing about Luthor's power, however, is that he himself cannot use it to do anything negative(like attacking Abraxas), otherwise that universal 'null-field' he emits goes away. IOW, this would likely end in a perpetual stalemate, with neither party able to harm the other.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Tbh, this really is a bit of a catch-22 for Luthor. I have absolutely NO doubt that Abraxas would be rendered benign within Luthor's universe. That is to say: Abraxas won't be collapsing the universe or w/e...If Luthor's power could negate Death of the Endless, it will negate Abraxas.

It's like saying fire wouldn't burn objects in Luthor's universe.

Death of the Endless does not operate out of malice either. She, like the rest of the Endless, simply embodies/represents a multiversal concept... But because Luthor's powers negated ALL things negative in the universe(literally), even Death/entropy was neutralized.

Here are the scans... Again:

Death: "A wave of bliss rushing INSTANTLY across the universe! [...] Entropy has STOPPED [...] That's it for EVERYTHING negative [...] So I get my first EVER time off."

So yeah, Abraxas would be rendered benign/inert just like Death.

What stops abraxas from attacking luthor universes away? Assuming his 'universal' field even tickles abraxas

Originally posted by Genii96
What stops abraxas from attacking luthor universes away? Assuming his 'universal' field even tickles abraxas

It is also against forum rules, and constitutes self-BFR.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nice sig/avy. 👆

I assumed when you said 'negate death' he actually faced the abstract embodiment and beat it.
That scan doesn't prove his field will contain abraxas,not even remotely,that's called a No limit fallancy
If the f*cking multiverse embodiment shit his pants at abraxas' sight, a guy with the power to remove negativity in 1 universe isn't doing sh*t
You are making luthor out to be IG 2.0
He puts up a negativity barrier? Abraxas uses his high end multiversal reality warping to turn it off.
When luthor actually begins to show multiversal power,then this can be nothing but a stomp
Negating the death of an object or being,isn't the same as beating the multiversal abstract of death
Until he does that,then this a is a freaking stomp.

facepalm

Originally posted by Genii96
I assumed when you said 'negate death' he actually faced the abstract embodiment and beat it.
That scan doesn't prove his field will contain abraxas,not even remotely,that's called a No limit fallancy
If the f*cking multiverse embodiment shit his pants at abraxas' sight, a guy with the power to remove negativity in 1 universe isn't doing sh*t
You are making luthor out to be IG 2.0
He puts up a negativity barrier? Abraxas uses his high end multiversal reality warping to turn it off.
When luthor actually begins to show multiversal power,then this can be nothing but a stomp
Negating the death of an object or being,isn't the same as beating the multiversal abstract of death
Until he does that,then this a is a freaking stomp.

Jesus ****ing Chris man! It's right before your eyes. Read the damn scan!

Death Of The Endless, who is a concept, the final Death in the DC Multiverse was rendered powerless for a time because she was not allowed to do anything negative, even if said negativity applied to her job, IE helping souls past on.

Luthor's anti negative field stop a Multiversal being from doing a job that is part of the natural occurrence in the Multiverse. That field deemed Death itself a negative concept, so it canceled it. That's why that guy with a broken body was still alive. Death couldn't make him pass on.

It's so ****ing simple reading that scan, and there's only one way to decipher it. No more, no less. Yet, there's a few of you that's trying to put your own spin on a straight forward explanation.

I have a field that negates time and space in 1 universe,...i can beat multi eternity/infinity...right?
Obviously neither of us are going to agree,so...agree to disagree