Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Captains shield is a Vibranium Steel alloy
Is it really? I thought it was just vibranium in the films.
But even still you kinda avoided the questions. Since we don't know what metals were used along with vibranium in Ultron's body we can't really say he is a durable as Cap's shield.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
She pulled apart armor that was already damaged, so yeah, between Diamond Form and self repair, I think the Sentinel has enough to withstand her assault...How does the Sentinel close distance against her? See my above post...it has options and the durability to power through what she has to offer (IMO).
As pertains Colossus, the amp the Sentinel recieved from Metal Form was great enough to allow the Sentinel to smash Colossus's head in and kill him...
Seemed like a pretty good amp IMO...
Visions body>Sentinel
The Sentinel has no way to get close to her and she can rip it apart. The only diamond form feat you have is it surviving fire...diamond form does not equal invincibility, diamonds break.
Originally posted by juggerman
Do you believe that a pure vibranium Ultron would have been destroyed like that?
A single piece of vibranium is a lot less complicated and would be more resilent then Ultron with robotics and sophisticated mechanics and AI. Ulton has tons of other interals and systems. Caps shield has none of those, so its much stronger then a vibranium ultron.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Visions body>Sentinel
I'm inclined to agree with you here, but only as pertains the Sentinels base form...
The Sentinel's body has two possible advantages over Vision's body (the 1st is a certain advantage, and the 2nd a debatable advantage); the ability to self repair and the ability to self amp durability...
The Sentinel has no way to get close to her and she can rip it apart. The only diamond form feat you have is it surviving fire...diamond form does not equal invincibility, diamonds break. [/B]
I'm not convinced she can rip it apart (and manage to overcome Diamond Form and its ability to self repair)...
Her best feat of tearing something apart is against a being that was already heavily damaged by the other hero's...
A being that sported an alloy that (in all probability) is weaker than pure vibranium...
Ripping Ultrons heart out was a good feat, but I'm not certain its good enough to conclusively say it can overcome Diamond Form and self repair...
I dont see how because its Diamond form that makes it above her pay grade when she has crushed and manipulated various forms of vibranium. Diamonds are one of the strongest stones on earth, but vibranium is something else entirely.
Diamond for was only used to stop the the external fire damage. She can rip him apart from the inside out.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I dont see how because its Diamond form that makes it above her pay grade when she has crushed and manipulated various forms of vibranium. Diamonds are one of the strongest stones on earth, but vibranium is something else entirely.Diamond for was only used to stop the the external fire damage. She can rip him apart from the inside out.
If she's trying to rip it apart, then she's not defending herself...
The Sentinel can take punishment...she cant.
Inaddition, a Future Sentinel isnt an Ultron clone with the durability of wet toilet tissue that she can just instantly destroy...
See, thats what you (as well as the others here that thinks she wins) are banking on; you expect her to be able to glass cannon dps it before it can fight back...
But the Sentinels dont register pain and are fully capable of sustaining damage while fighting back; you can blast an arm off of it and that wont stop the Sentinels assault...
We agree to disagree here...
You think that she can destroy it before it can fight back...
I think the Sentinel is tough enough to withstand her alpha attack and retaliate with enough force to destroy her...
To each his own...
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
She can defend herself and attack at the same time.
When has she done that? Care to post a link to the scene demonstrating that?
If she had taken Ultron Prime one on one, she would have destroyed him.
Speculation and I disagree...
Ultron Prime was heavily damaged and couldnt fight back when she got to him; beating something that is both heavily damaged and cant fight back isnt impressive (IMO)...
At full strength, I think Prime powers through her assault and ends her just like I think the Future Sentinel would...
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Watch her fights?I said; if she had fought him head on one on one, she would have destroyed him. I am not talking about after he was damaged.
You also changed your stance. Before you said Ultron was nothing to write home about. So before you accepted that she could take him out. Now it's different?
I havent changed my stance on anything; my assessment of Ultrons durability stands based on what I thought at the time I wrote what I wrote...
Even at the level of durability it was at when it fought Cap, I think it could power trough SW's assault and kill her...
Maybe you need reminding of how uber the Future Sentinels were; they are very durable even without adaptations...
They can take punishment and self repair on top of that; these arent garbage Ultron Clones or opponents that wont/cant fight back...
These things are big, fast, and are essentially always bloodlusted as they are always going for the kill...
And fact remains that she hasnt beaten anything one on one on par with these things that have fought her back (Vision never fought back):
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Please provide quotes where I said killing cannon fodder drones was impressive.Also can we stop talking about Ultron, she has subdued and bfr's stronger characters and opponents.
I keep going back to the Ultron Clones because those are the strongest opponents that she'd destroyed all by herself with TP (in other words those are the only enemies that were 100% when she faced them and destroyed them all by herself)...
And Vision never fought her back; the Future Sentinel will, and it will attempt to do so as lethally as possible...
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Vison unable to not resist and actually show pain and be crushed and BFR'd is impressive enough to understand how powerful she is.No one else in the MCU at this point could have done that to vision.
I have consistenly given her props here...
She is clearly powerful...clearly.
But she's a glass cannon; she can give it, but cant take it, as all indications up to this point is that she has normal human durability...
Our disagreement here is simple...
You think she can dps it to death before it can fight back...
I think its tough enough to withstand her initial assault and counter sufficiently to kill her...
This disagreement is ok; thats why we debate it...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
A Future Sentinel (as well as many other characters) would only need a single attack to land flush to kill her; her shields struggled to contain Crossbones explosion btw and I believe the Future Sentinels ranged attack is far stronger than that was...
Revisiting this for a moment, did Wanda even try to contain the explosion or did she just try to remove Crossbones from the area and erred on that account? Also, if she did try to contain the blast and failed, is that really a low feat? The explosion damn near took down a building.
As for the Vision, are we sure he didnt fight back because he didnt want to harm Wanda or did he not fight back because he was unable to? Probably the first part, but who knows. I bring this up only because I was under the assumption that the Vision was hesitant and a little nervous when Wanda asked him if he was trying to keep her there. I admit that I have only seen it once though and could be mistaken.