Originally posted by BlackJackal
This is factually wrong, while apart of the EU, you were not free.
Idk as someone who factually lives here I'd say we've always been pretty free.
We were basically never stopped doing anything by Brussels, and most EU regulations that were in place are there for a greater good. Plus we actually opted out of big Eu things like the Schengen Area etc, if that were a thing people thought was limiting freedoms or whatnot.
Originally posted by Stigma
You'd be much wiser to use legitimate tactics in your post, actually.FYI Isn't flaming against the forum rules? Alongside baiting and general trolling. I am positive it is.
TBH nothing wrong with some trash talk but you just came out of nowhere and suddenly spouted some ethnic slur. SMH.
Just a day ago or so we had an outing of a political troll (Sin). Do not follow in her footsteps. 👆
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Idk as someone who factually lives here I'd say we've always been pretty free.We were basically never stopped doing anything by Brussels, and most EU regulations that were in place are there for a greater good. Plus we actually opted out of big Eu things like the Schengen Area etc, if that were a thing people thought was limiting freedoms or whatnot.
I was born and lived in Manchester for 20 years.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Idk as someone who factually lives here I'd say we've always been pretty free.We were basically never stopped doing anything by Brussels, and most EU regulations that were in place are there for a greater good. Plus we actually opted out of big Eu things like the Schengen Area etc, if that were a thing people thought was limiting freedoms or whatnot.
How do you feel about land subsidies? And EU funds being used to keep third world countries poor?
I mean no-one has ever said the EU was perfect. It's a hugely messy bureaucratic system that has made some questionable decisions at times, but in general imo, has worked to benefit the majority, especially in regards to Europe. And there's no way any positive changes can be attempted from the outside, so it kinda feels like a throwing out the baby with the bathwater situation at this point.
But yeah our economy has lost like £200 billion overnight, which is pretty mental.
48-52.
That's actually not that big a gap. How different do you guys think it would have been if the EU decided to take a milder, more cautious approach to the refugee/migrant crisis? Which country/governement/politician/etc do you guys think is truly to blame for all this?
I remember reading in huffpost forum about a liberal being for some form of controlled (as opposed to the "take our country, it's yours" crowd) screening for the refugees to avoid letting non-refugee troublemakers in and he literally got crucified in huffpost. His point was that the EU was wasting a lot of political capital on a huge risk and that if they just take more cautious steps and at least show that they did what they could, then they would avoid giving up too much political goodwill in case something bad happens. Do you guys think recent events have proven his point?
Not a European and I only know what the news tells me, but I have found this topic interesting as of late.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
48-52.That's actually not that big a gap. How different do you guys think it would have been if the EU decided to take a milder, more cautious approach to the refugee/migrant crisis? Which country/governement/politician/etc do you guys think is truly to blame for all this?
I remember reading in huffpost forum about a liberal being for some form of controlled (as opposed to the "take our country, it's yours" crowd) screening for the refugees to avoid letting non-refugee troublemakers in and he literally got crucified in huffpost. His point was that the EU was wasting a lot of political capital on a huge risk and that if they just take more cautious steps and at least show that they did what they could, then they would avoid giving up too much political goodwill in case something bad happens. Do you guys think recent events have proven his point?
Not a European and I only know what the news tells me, but I have found this topic interesting as of late.
I don't think it would be any different if the migrant crisis was dealt with differently because the issues have been going on for more than a decade with the EU. I don't think the migrant crisis hugely affected the results to be honest.
I wouldn't bother reading Huffington Post. It seems like a propaganda piece. And they seem to have really crap editors. If you look at the pages when Donald Trump got elected it looks like a child in clip art edited the webpage.
I don't think the UK should be taking in refugees anyway as it is. Our housing system is bad as it is. That doesn't mean they have to be left to be abandoned in the sea. More of the Gulf countries could take in more migrants. Look at Jordan, has taken a giant amount of migrants for it's size and look at how many the richer larger countries have taken in.
I never understand why Scandinavian and European countries get so much flack for not taking as many migrants in as we "should". It's not up to us. There own people should take them under their wing.
Learn what words means please.
Personally as one of the 18-24 voters, I reaaaally didn't want to be stuck in a situation caused by a previous generation's grievances with the EU. But whatta ya gonna do hey?
But yeah the voter disparity is pretty drastic, the other end of like 59-75+ or whatever is almost entirely flipped, with like 75% leave.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Personally as one of the 18-24 voters, I reaaaally didn't want to be stuck in a situation caused by a previous generation's grievances with the EU. But whatta ya gonna do hey?But yeah the voter disparity is pretty drastic, the other end of like 59-75+ or whatever is almost entirely flipped, with like 75% leave.
Do you think that the EU has been heading into a positive light? It hasn't to be quite frank, it's not like the EU have suddenly changed and are like a Unicorn emerging from the forest. It's a slowly decaying organisation.
I genuinely as like you a 18-24 voter that the EU is heading into anything remotely positive (in my opinion).
I think that more could have been done to fix its problems though, which can only be done from within. Us just washing our hands of it just doesn't seem to be a solution to anything, especially as most of the stuff people complained about from the Leave campaign will continue to happen.
This all being said, and although I'm fairly disappoint with the result, and least the freaking campaigns are over. This referendum really brought out some of the worst politicking from both sides.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
I think that more could have been done to fix its problems though, which can only be done from within. Us just washing our hands of it just doesn't seem to be a solution to anything, especially as most of the stuff people complained about from the Leave campaign will continue to happen.This all being said, and although I'm fairly disappoint with the result, and least the freaking campaigns are over. This referendum really brought out some of the worst politicking from both sides.
More could've been done I very much doubt. More than what's been tried since November 1957?
It's not as if it's gone to pot in our generations. It's been a steady decay over time but we have been born into a generation where our minds are befuddled by propaganda where anything that is remotely said against Muslims is racist. Speaking out against immigration is racist.
We haven't washed our hands at all. We've finally scrubbed off the proverbial suds of the EU.
That i can agree with, idiots on both sides.
Meh, I guess another problem is I absolutely don't trust our current government to continue with some of the good EU regulations, such as with environmental stuff, especially with the slashes to green subsidies and stuff.
But at this point we kinda just have to wait and see how everything goes, especially with Cameron resigning and everything.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Meh, I guess another problem is I absolutely don't trust our current government to continue with some of the good EU regulations, such as with environmental stuff, especially with the slashes to green subsidies and stuff.But at this point we kinda just have to wait and see how everything goes, especially with Cameron resigning and everything.
Do you disagree with what I said, I only ask as all you said was "Meh,".
Yeah the next few months will be interesting. I wouldn't trust Cameron to recite the alphabet without making at least a few remarks about the EU. It's just in his nature to be corrupt and a serf.
We also have Corbyn possibly being kicked out too. Don't know if you caught that on the BBC earlier.