Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Oh I disagree about it being decaying and that more couldn't be done, but you have the opposite view so I didn't see the need to continue arguing when I don't think we'll end up agreeing on anything.
Could you expand a bit more though? I'm interested to see your opinion.
I can probably go into more detail later but I've gotta go out, in short I just don't believe it's decaying over time, and I just fundamentally believe it's better for us to work together as Europe rather than splintering off because of issues that have been slightly over blow in their importance. Especially with lots of the immigration stuff, I mean we already have control of our borders in most ways, and the fact that people seem to always change their minds over which immigrants they don't want here (Central Europeans? Eastern Europeans? Middle East refugees? Hell even going back to the 50s and 60s it was various migrants from former colonies) makes it seem that for at least some people (Definitely not all mind you, many people have legitimate concerns about this stuff) it's more about just having non British people here.
Also I absolutely don't buy the whole generation who has been propaganda'd into not talking about immigration or religious issues. The problem is often these debates turn ugly incredibly quickly and it's not actually issues being addressed.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
I can probably go into more detail later but I've gotta go out, in short I just don't believe it's decaying over time, and I just fundamentally believe it's better for us to work together as Europe rather than splintering off because of issues that have been slightly over blow in their importance. Especially with lots of the immigration stuff, I mean we already have control of our borders in most ways, and the fact that people seem to always change their minds over which immigrants they don't want here (Central Europeans? Eastern Europeans? Middle East refugees? Hell even going back to the 50s and 60s it was various migrants from former colonies) makes it seem that for at least some people (Definitely not all mind you, many people have legitimate concerns about this stuff) it's more about just having non British people here.Also I absolutely don't buy the whole generation who has been propaganda'd into not talking about immigration or religious issues. The problem is often these debates turn ugly incredibly quickly and it's not actually issues being addressed.
I wouldn't worry I'm not a person to start insulting in a debate. If our debate were to get ugly - (this isn't meant rudely) - it would be coming from you. Again not saying you are at all but I just don't do anything like that.
Throughout history, an open border policy like the EU has been disasterous. It caused ISIS and other terrorist organizations easier access to attack civilians. The EU has tied the hands of countries that should be sovereign. Think of it like this - would you want your neighbor telling you what you can buy at the grocery store?
Mostly it was just citizens (British), but only a few immigrants. Here the riots at Trump rallies were funded by George Soros and organized by anarchists. Sure there were some illegal immigrants, but they were mostly peaceful. I have my idea on a pathway to citizenship:
1. Learn English
2. 18-26 years mandatory military service (including whites) which gives citizenship after discharged. If they have a family, family earns citizenship automatically
3. Adults who have been here, paid taxes and no criminal record must take citizenship test.
Tada!!!
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Mostly it was just citizens (British), but only a few immigrants. Here the riots at Trump rallies were funded by George Soros and organized by anarchists. Sure there were some illegal immigrants, but they were mostly peaceful.
Has there been solid evidence that Soros funded every riot? Also even if he did, why would that mean it was only a few illegals doing it? Wouldn't illegals be lining up to get paid to riot?
The worst part is the cops sat there and literally watched these pieces of shit break the law and they did nothing lol. They sat and watched as people were attacked, as cars were attacked, as rocks and bottles were thrown. Nobody said a peep about this, it wasn't a big deal. But oh shit a Trump supporter punches a black man? Or grabs a reporters arm? It's a big deal. We'll whine and complain when cops aren't punished for breaking the law, but nobody says anything when illegals aren't punished. Or at least not enough people speak about it.
1. Learn English
This is another pet peeve of mine. If you're coming to America just to visit then fine, but if you are coming to stay? Learn the f*cking language. If you can't even put in the effort to do that then please don't come here, go somewhere else. Don't come here and expect the country to change for you..you need to change for the country.
2. 18-26 years mandatory military service (including whites) which gives citizenship after discharged. If they have a family, family earns citizenship automatically
As long as it wasn't just men, but females that have to do this too.
3. Adults who have been here, paid taxes and no criminal record must take citizenship test.Tada!!!
They should also have to pay any back taxes if they failed to pay them. Since as the other thread showed...only about half of illegals even paid income tax and your average illegal costs us more money than they put back in.
Originally posted by Surtur
Are they merely trying to get in or are they full on rioting because they can't get in?
It's a combination of both. A lot of them are quite rude and know the risks they give tot he truck drivers (if any truck driver has a migrant in his truck they can be fined thousands). They throw bottles, shoes etc at the trucks. Attack the owners of the trucks.
Here's an example if you look at this link full of videos showing it.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=calais+migrants
They try to get in to the UK but nobody wants them in, but France doesn't want them in France so sometimes French police turn a blind eye.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
It's a combination of both. A lot of them are quite rude and know the risks they give tot he truck drivers (if any truck driver has a migrant in his truck they can be fined thousands). They throw bottles, shoes etc at the trucks. Attack the owners of the trucks.Here's an example if you look at this link full of videos showing it.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=calais+migrants
They try to get in to the UK but nobody wants them in, but France doesn't want them in France so sometimes French police turn a blind eye.
So they are full on attacking people? Yet I bet if a truck driver whooped one of these migrants asses they'd call it a hate crime or something. I'd flat out purchase a gun if I was one of those drivers.
Basically Europe right now is showing the entire USA why our abhorrence to illegal immigration really isn't that bad of a thing.
Originally posted by Surtur
So they are full on attacking people? Yet I bet if a truck driver whooped one of these migrants asses they'd call it a hate crime or something. I'd flat out purchase a gun if I was one of those drivers.Basically Europe right now is showing the entire USA why our abhorrence to illegal immigration really isn't that bad of a thing.
Plenty of the truck drivers fight back.
Just to say on the 3rd video the guy isn't trying to kill them, the video uploader is being a sensationalist.
Over here to criticise something like this makes you a hideous racist, xenophobe and Islamophobe (if the migrants are Muslims).
Originally posted by Surtur
Well we have something in common, here it's apparently racist or Islamaphobic if you call something radical Islam lol.It's like this religion of "peace" has cast some kind of mind altering spell over the entire planet that makes people act utterly irrational in regards to it.
Oh definitely the same, I recall Donald Trump criticising Obama for not saying it I think.
The trouble is this: there are problems with Islam.
It's become a religion that is unable to be criticised without people being murdered or threatened, it's doctrine is completely alien to British culture as are a few people believing in it who come over here as well.
Christianity (even though I'm not a proponent of that either) has gone under a few changes that made it more palatable to European culture (after they started destroying it that is).
Whereas Islam has stayed perfectly the same throughout history. So the adherents to the faith follow it and will not relent. Islam is just incompatible with Western Civilization. There is no easy way of saying it. On basic European principles Islam is incompatible in the way it's occurred. And now I guess I will get labelled racist or Islamophobic but I believe that word is stupid. Dressing up a word because you can't counter an argument another way.
Islam needs a huge reform before it becomes anywhere near compatible to fit in with the Western world without any trouble. And before people say.
"The majority of Muslims don't suicide bomb, scare people etc".
I won't deny that, the problem is it is a sizeable minority that only gets bigger and bigger as they slowly become easier to indoctrinate (this including the indigenous peoples of a country). Which turns them into a opposite of who they once were.
And no one should believe it is the religion of peace. That is the best joke I've heard in a while.
The closest religion that could hope to bare that moniker is Jainism. Even Buddhism isn't fully pacifistic.
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But the minute you say any of this be prepared to be bombarded by the media about how you are a racist and generalizing all Muslims. So the issue never gets addressed.
Also people use the crappy excuse of "you are playing right into the hands of ISIS by showing any dislike of Islam" but people don't realize that the president refusing to name it radical Islam actually pisses people off, so his refusal to name it also plays into the hands of ISIS. Obama literally gave a speech basically blaming American intolerance on Orlando. This man holds one of the most powerful positions in the world lol. He thinks he is above the constitution and will never blame the people who are truly to blame for things. Unless of course it's a police officer who killed a black man.
Originally posted by Surtur
Also people use the crappy excuse of "you are playing right into the hands of ISIS by showing any dislike of Islam" but people don't realize that the president refusing to name it radical Islam actually pisses people off, so his refusal to name it also plays into the hands of ISIS. Obama literally gave a speech basically blaming American intolerance on Orlando. This man holds one of the most powerful positions in the world lol. He thinks he is above the constitution and will never blame the people who are truly to blame for things. Unless of course it's a police officer who killed a black man.
That's part of the reason why it becomes so easily for radical Islam to infiltrate our society. Because we aren't allowed to address it unless we are willing to be harangued by hate mobs and our own countrymen vying for our blood.
So Ol' Baghdadi and friends get to coast along in trucks and dinghy's to culturally enrich us. Particularly German's and Scandinavians it seems.
The UK is quite lucky in being an Island plus having a very good security force that not a lot few them can get in.