Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yeah, you just made a claim that because a ISD's main gun is 1337, it can solo a galaxy, all evidence to the contrary. But I'm making the baseless insinuations.
Show me this evidence you've been hiding then. The numbers tell us that a dreadnought's guns are to an ISD's shields what a pebble is to a tank.
No, no, it doesn't. The dreadnought's main gun in ME3 is as powerful as Sovereigns, not 35 kilotons, which is why you're wrong. It's be like throwing multiple grenades at a tank, only from the entire galaxy. Even frigates and smaller cruisers have thanix canons by that point, as well as torpedoes. Eventually, the ISD would go down. Full stop.
Even Sovereign's barely breaks the megatons, which Slave 1 can outmatch lol.
The fleet we see at the end of ME3 isn't big enough. You could theorize that if the star destroyer just sat there they could eventually spam enough ships to break it, but certainly not before their home worlds have been burned.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
A reaper does that in ME2. 😬Seriously, just google.
For example, you can equip a starship with long-range missiles but these missiles are expected to be used against external threats, not internally.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Actually i just remembered that was a collector base, not a reaper.Sovereign needed to he destroyed by the combined might of the Turian, Asari, Salarian and human forces to be completely destroyed
And it's suggested this was mostly due to Sovereign inhabiting Saren's body.
Valkorion losing once is enough, the scenario put before us suggests he is still in his "mortal coil" so to speak. So his mortal form will die again and again.
Valkorion have surprised us before with his powers and he may have more trump cards at his disposal. The full extent of his abilities are unknown. Moreover, I have explained that how Valkorion can take this fight into the Sovereign itself.
This is getting somewhat tedious so I'm going to slim down my responses to the most relevant stuff, i.e. that which operates under the assumption Valkorion can teleport across large distances, recover from spiritual form instantly and affect the enviroment in this form; or rather that he has something resembling a hope and prayer of winning. 🙂
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd Sovereign is just going to sit around and wait for him to finish his probing? Right.
In this hypothetical contest, I am assuming that Valkorion makes visual contact with the Sovereign and should be able to figure out a way to get inside by virtue of Force sense and basic understanding of design of Starships. Teleportation talent sounds like a good plan.
1. Teleportation (and/or a similar act) takes only an instant to perform. Look no further then the showings of Darth Jadus, Father and Mother Talzin.You bring up Mother Talzin of all people? Yes Talzin was able to teleport when under fire from some battle droids, but not when pinned down by the full power of Sidious' Force lightning:2. Revan performed Teleportation while erecting a Protection Bubble.
Darth Jadus, Dread Master Tyrans, Revan and Mother Talzin have performed Teleportation (and/or similar acts) in extremely dire situations to escape death.
She did not teleport then. And I'm not seeing how Jadus, the Dread Masters or Revan can be said to have been under remotely similar circumstances.
Valkorion doesn't needs to erect a shield and then Teleport. He should be able to perform this act in an instant.
Giving your point the benefit of doubt, I wonder why his enemies did not employ this tactic against him... mmmWhen did they have an opportunity? When the galaxy turned against Valkorion he never manifested corporeally once.If one of the greatest threats to the entire galaxy could be defeated so easily, somebody would have attempted this strategy in a span of centuries. Don't you think?
And its not as if they have intimate knowledge of what he can withstand, most people would probably assume an orbital bombardment would do the trick. So if they could and done it, they would have at least tried. 👆
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThat's not what I asked, I asked for proof he can conjure these powers in sufficient magnitude to destroy Sovereign. Stomping the Outlander does not prove this.
Telekinesis?
Force Lightning?
Force blast?Tell me what options he doesn't have at his disposal.
Sovereign is a sentient AI, not a god.😂Nothing implies that Sovereign can do that.
Friend, for one Sovereign is a sentient AI so advanced that he resembles a god, and was seen by many as one.
But more importantly Sovereign also has internal shields protecting his core, he also has the ability to wield element zero, and for that reason, project mass effect fields as he pleases. Therefore its absolutely inferrable that Sovereign can both divert power to existing internal shields and generate new ones as needed.
And this is not exactly a novel concept, even basic ships in Star Wars can divert power to shields from other areas. Sovereign is infinitely more advanced.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
This is getting somewhat tedious so I'm going to slim down my responses to the most relevant stuff, i.e. that which operates under the assumption Valkorion can teleport across large distances, recover from spiritual form instantly and affect the enviroment in this form; or rather that he has something resembling a hope and prayer of winning. 🙂
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And Sovereign is just going to sit around and wait for him to finish his probing?
He can expand his senses to encompass the Sovereign in its entirely in a single attempt. This is apparent from his other demonstrations involving Force Drain and Telepathy.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
You bring up Mother Talzin of all people? Yes Talzin was able to teleport when under fire from some battle droids, but not when pinned down by the full power of Sidious' Force lightning:She did not teleport then. And I'm not seeing how Jadus, the Dread Masters or Revan can be said to have been under remotely similar circumstances.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
When did they have an opportunity? When the galaxy turned against Valkorion he never manifested corporeally once.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And its not as if they have intimate knowledge of what he can withstand, most people would probably assume an orbital bombardment would do the trick. So if they could and done it, they would have at least tried. 👆
Originally posted by Beniboybling
That's not what I asked, I asked for proof he can conjure these powers in sufficient magnitude to destroy Sovereign. Stomping the Outlander does not prove this.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
😂Friend, for one Sovereign is a sentient AI so advanced that he resembles a god, and was seen by many as one.
Many perceived Valkorion as a god as well.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
But more importantly Sovereign also has internal shields protecting his core, he also has the ability to wield element zero, and for that reason, project mass effect fields as he pleases. Therefore its absolutely inferrable that Sovereign can both divert power to existing internal shields and generate new ones as needed.And this is not exactly a novel concept, even basic ships in Star Wars can divert power to shields from other areas. Sovereign is infinitely more advanced.