Dodging the point I see, Valkorion isn't just FLSing his way through an entire Reaper compliment if you believe that is the case.
Dodging the point, again.
Force sense is hardly infallible LeGenD.
Furthermore care to explain why Valkorion is almost certainly going to opt for teleporting into something he has no prior comprehension of?
Give me one reason and I might make it Harbinger 9/10 wins, assuming you explain how Valkorion survives being inside a Reaper.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Right.Valkorion is defenseless like human diplomats. Your brain is not functioning at the moment.
Because Valk's TP has any relevancy on Indoctrination, another baseless assumption. Indoctrination isn't a mental assault, it's a sonic subliminal effect that Valkorion has no reason to expect or know how to counter.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Dodging the point I see, Valkorion isn't just FLSing his way through an entire Reaper compliment if you believe that is the case.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Dodging the point, again.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Force sense is hardly infallible LeGenD.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Furthermore care to explain why Valkorion is almost certainly going to opt for teleporting into something he has no prior comprehension of?
Originally posted by AncientPower
Give me one reason and I might make it Harbinger 9/10 wins, assuming you explain how Valkorion survives being inside a Reaper.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
^^^That is a pathetic argument and I have already addressed it the relevant thread.
Really not a pathetic argument, KEK. Why you just cannot grasp the concept of physical Valkorion vs. Sovereign is beyond my understanding.
I'm also pretty damn sure that if this thread was something like Physical Valkorion vs. TPM Kenobi you'd simply say that physical Valkorion stomps, rather than getting into the subject that he's a disembodied all-powerful being and how only using him as a physical entity doesn't work because blah blah. In this case, because you know it's hard for the physical incarnation of Valkorion to beat Sovereign 1v1, you utilize logic that will assure Valkorion a victory even when that's not even what the OP asked. Your bias truly knows no bounds.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Because Valk's TP has any relevancy on Indoctrination, another baseless assumption. Indoctrination isn't a mental assault, it's a sonic subliminal effect that Valkorion has no reason to expect or know how to counter.
I am sure that Valkorion can shrug-off effects of sonic weapons on his mind.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWhen have Jadus or the Dread Masters teleported over such distances? Revan seems the only relevant argument here but the circumstances of the feat are largerly unknown.
Tell that to Revan, Darth Jadus and the Dread Masters. Your argument is moot.
How long do you think it takes a Force-user to Teleport from one location to another? I am sure that it doesn't takes a long time.Irrelevant, you said so yourself that if Valkorion could destroy him from the outside he would attempt, which he will, and he'd have to survive the ensuing barrage to be in a position to change up his strategy (which would itself take time to figure out) and teleported into his innards. Which is very unlikely to happen.
I don't think that Valkorion suffered any kind of setback after loosing his Voice on the throne. When his Voice was struck down, he laughed it off and proceeded to establish a Telepathic bond with the Outlander because he had an agenda to fulfill.But he did, he lost his body, his throne and Arcann ran his Empire into the ground. That is a setback, the fact that Valkorion was confident he could recover doesn't change that reality, nor preclude some nap time before he was able to do so.
Especially if we consider this in the contexts of a being millenia old, 5 years is nothing to him, and for a person who creates empires for lols, its no suprise he was unperturbed by the prospect of Arcann doing it some damage.
Chapter 12 proves that the Outlander was just a vessel that could be discarded by Valkorion at will.Does it also prove Valkorion could effect the enviroment in sufficiently profound ways to destroy Sovereign without the Outlander as a conduit?
You really think that Valkorion could not eliminate Arcann? BioWare have a story to tell.At full strength? No, but evidently he was far from it. 👆
Yes.So Valkorion can hurt the Outlander in a vision? What's new?Watch chapter 12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCUV80skCOA
Originally posted by Petrus
Really not a pathetic argument, KEK. Why you just cannot grasp the concept of physical Valkorion vs. Sovereign is beyond my understanding.I'm also pretty damn sure that if this thread was something like Physical Valkorion vs. TPM Kenobi you'd simply say that physical Valkorion stomps, rather than getting into the subject that he's a disembodied all-powerful being and how only using him as a physical entity doesn't work because blah blah. In this case, because you know it's hard for the physical incarnation of Valkorion to beat Sovereign 1v1, you utilize logic that will assure Valkorion a victory even when that's not even what the OP asked. Your bias truly knows no bounds.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is gross misunderstanding of ground realities at consideration here.Obi-Wan Kenobi, after embracing ethereal plane, cannot affect external environment (to a significant extent) and neither he can acquire a mortal vessel for the said purpose. So, if he is killed, he won't be coming back to kill his killer; he's done for.
On the other hand, we have Valkorion who is similar to Abeloth; an abomination that defies the will of the Force. I don't feel the need to explain this further. Use your brain.
Bad example.
IG-88 needs to make a copy his programming and install it in another system to have a fail-safe backup. However, if the backup system is also destroyed, it would be the end of IG-88. Moreover, you cannot apply 'no-limits logic' here because IG-88 needs an adequately advanced hardware for his programming to be compatible with and function at full capability and such hardware won't be common.
- You should read the thread before re-quoting someone else's argument.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is gross misunderstanding of ground realities at consideration here.Obi-Wan Kenobi, after embracing ethereal plane, cannot affect external environment (to a significant extent) and neither he can acquire a mortal vessel for the said purpose. So, if he is killed, he won't be coming back to kill his killer; he's done for.
On the other hand, we have Valkorion who is similar to Abeloth; an abomination that defies the will of the Force. I don't feel the need to explain this further. Use your brain.
Bad example.
IG-88 needs to make a copy his programming and install it in another system to have a fail-safe backup. However, if the backup system is also destroyed, it would be the end of IG-88. Moreover, you cannot apply 'no-limits logic' here because IG-88 needs an adequately advanced hardware for his programming to be compatible with and function at full capability and such hardware won't be common.
I wish to ask you a question.
Valkorion vs a Stick, who wins, In your opinion? Stick wins everytime. Pls divert your answer to the relevant thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t626839.html
Originally posted by Beniboybling
When have Jadus or the Dread Masters teleported over such distances? Revan seems the only relevant argument here but the circumstances of the feat are largerly unknown.
Revan
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The Dread Master Raptus not just Teleported himself but also his enemies to the Sanctuary of Nightmares during the operation against them. He brought his enemies there so he would have a greater chance at defeating them in that setting.
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Satisfied?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Irrelevant, you said so yourself that if Valkorion could destroy him from the outside he would attempt, which he will, and he'd have to survive the ensuing barrage to be in a position to change up his strategy and teleported into his innards. Which is very unlikely to happen.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
But he did, he lost his body, his throne and Arcann ran his Empire into the ground. That is a setback, the fact that Valkorion was confident he could recover doesn't change that reality, nor preclude some nap time before he was able to do so.Especially if we consider this in the contexts of a being millenia old, 5 years is nothing to him, and for a person who creates empires for lols, its no suprise he was unperturbed by the prospect of Arcann doing it some damage.
You can also look at the developments on Ziost to learn that Valkorion doesn't needs crude matter to function and affect external environment. Loss of a corporeal vessel does not effects him much.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Does it also prove Valkorion could effect the enviroment in sufficiently profound ways to destroy Sovereign without the Outlander as a conduit.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
At full strength? No, but evidently he was far from it. 👆
Originally posted by Beniboybling
So Valkorion can hurt the Outlander in a vision? What's new?
"What is this? Another illusion?" (The Outlander)
"The time for fantasy is over. What happens now is quite real." (Valkorion)
👆
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
"What is this? Another illusion?" (The Outlander)"The time for fantasy is over. What happens now is quite real." (Valkorion)
😂
Originally posted by Selenial
I wish to ask you a question.Valkorion vs a Stick, who wins, In your opinion? Stick wins everytime. Pls divert your answer to the relevant thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t626839.html
Come up with an argument that makes sense and we will talk.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThe Sanctuary of Nightmares appears to be some kind of constructed space that could well feature an artifice allowing the Dread Masters to teleport there, the circumstances of Revan's feat are unknown and Jadus did not teleport across such a distance we are discussing. So not really.
[B]Darth JadusRevan
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The Dread Master Raptus not just Teleported himself but also his enemies to the Sanctuary of Nightmares during the operation against them. He brought his enemies there so he would have a greater chance at defeating them in that setting.
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Satisfied?[/b]
I am sure that Valkorion can buy sufficient time for himself to Teleport himself safety and then into the Sovereign.I don't. Was Talzin able to buy herself time to teleport away from Sidious? No. And in the situation as far as power is concerned, Valkorion is far more outmatched.
I don't think that Valkorion cares much about any Empire. To him, everything is a means to an end. Valkorion could dispatch Arcann at any time he wanted to but he wants the Outlander to do it for reasons he knows best. The story is still in progress, remember?You haven't proven that, your just assuming it, and the fact that the story is still in progression only proves you do not have all the answers.You can also look at the developments on Ziost to learn that Valkorion doesn't needs crude matter to function and affect external environment. Loss of a corporeal vessel does not effects him much.
Fact is the last time Valkorion was destroyed he fell into a slumber, only achieving those feats on Ziost you refer to after recovering from his strength. And I have yet to see any proof that suggests this period of recuperation is no longer required.
Why not? He utterly dominated the Outlander and would have killed him if he wanted to. However, his objective was not to kill the Outlander but to prepare him for the worse and consider taking the throne. I think that Valkorion wants to make the Outlander his herald.Assuming for a moment that that didn't happen inside his head, the Outlander is nowhere near as powerful as Sovereign. 😬
Wut? 😂You have comprehension issues?
Those are not visions.Selenial's summed this up rather aptly, evidently this is distinct from the illusions he projected before, as Valkorion and the Outlander are very much real, but the fact remains this is all happening inside the Outlander's head. Self evident from the fact that whenever Valkorion appears, including in this instance, the image becomes blurred and vision-like to signify its distinction from physical reality."What is this? Another illusion?" (The Outlander)
"The time for fantasy is over. What happens now is quite real." (Valkorion)
👆
So unless Valkorion can get inside Sovereign's head (he can't) I don't see him affecting him with his powers.