Originally posted by SquallX
You're kidding right?A human that's been doing martial arts for a few years is a better fighter than a God that's been fighting in wars for at least a better part of a few hundred years?
The level of wank peek humans the likes of Batman and those of peers receive is too ****ing retarted.
At end of the day, Bruce's Martial arts is a downgrade to Thor, not an upgrade.
Originally posted by abhilegend
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Please, pray tell Bruce's h2h that far surpasses Thor's own fighting style and experience?
Thor has even fought Hercules to a stand still a few times. A Hercules that I would put far ahead of Bruce when it comes to fighting.
I see Bruce more as an MMA fighter with plenty of fights and skills under his belt, where as Thor is a highly decorated soldier that has fought in the thoughest of wars. He's travel through Hell and back, and each time he returns from that precipice, he only gro stronger.
Originally posted by SquallXincorrect. Being trained in the ways of war, weapon based combat, and h2h isn't on the level of batman. Bruce is so good that he can easily throw down with characters that are leagues out of his weight class. Thor is a skilled h2h combatant, nobody (except maybe abhi) is going to dispute that, but he isn't on batman's level. Also, Thor has never really demonstrated a high level of skill as far as martial arts goes. Sure, he has the occasional showing where he wrestles his opponent to the ground or counters their attacks, but we never really see him go for arm locks, pressure points, etc.
Please, pray tell Bruce's h2h that far surpasses Thor's own fighting style and experience?Thor has even fought Hercules to a stand still a few times. A Hercules that I would put far ahead of Bruce when it comes to fighting.
I see Bruce more as an MMA fighter with plenty of fights and skills under his belt, where as Thor is a highly decorated soldier that has fought in the thoughest of wars. He's travel through Hell and back, and each time he returns from that precipice, he only gro stronger.
Also, do you really wanna play the whole "he's older and therefore better" game? If that sort of statement were true, ra's al ghul would never lose to Bruce because he has about 600+ years of experience over him. We know for a fact that batman has mastered every martial art style on earth, meanwhile, the best we can say about Thor is that he's pretty good with his fists and occasionally utilizes wrestling.
Also, if I were to go murder a mountain lion, grizzly bear, and a great white shark with a knife, does that now mean that I'm far more skilled in knife fighting than I was when before I killed those creatures? Not necessarily. Fighting demons and gods means that he has more experience in h2h not necessarily more skill. Until it's stated that Thor has a working knowledge of every martial art style in the world, he doesn't have more skill than bruce. Anyway, Thor still murders Clark in this fight.
incorrect. Being trained in the ways of war, weapon based combat, and h2h isn't on the level of batman. Bruce is so good that he can easily throw down with characters that are leagues out of his weight class. Thor is a skilled h2h combatant, nobody (except maybe abhi) is going to dispute that, but he isn't on batman's level. Also, Thor has never really demonstrated a high level of skill as far as martial arts goes. Sure, he has the occasional showing where he wrestles his opponent to the ground or counters their attacks, but we never really see him go for arm locks, pressure points, etc.
Batman hasn't wasted years by brawling and depending on demigod stats like Thor or Herc. Sure, they're good fighters... but Batman is an excellent one.
Natural talent, insane skill, fair share of experience -- his experience matters, because 99.9% of the time he has no enhancements of any kind and often has to face superhuman enemies -- being trained by top tier MAs like Richard Dragon and Shiva (if we're talking about pre-nu Batman, that is).
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Batman hasn't wasted years by brawling and depending on demigod stats like Thor or Herc. Sure, they're good fighters... but Batman is an excellent one.Natural talent, insane skill, fair share of experience -- his experience matters, because 99.9% of the time he has no enhancements of any kind and often has to face superhuman enemies -- being trained by top tier MAs like Richard Dragon and Shiva (if we're talking about pre-nu Batman, that is).
Being the strongest, toughest member of a race that's stronger and tougher than any others (bar Frost Giants) kinda means your need for skill is lessened.
On top of that, he also has one of the most haxx weapons in comicdom, so h2h skill is hardly needed (yes, I know he didn't always have Mjolnir, but he's used weapons for a lot of his life).
On top of that, its not exactly linear. There are only so many different ways you can punch, or get punched. Not sure how 100 years means less than 1000, or 10,000. Unless someone can prove that there is indeed, no limits to one's skills??
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Batman hasn't wasted years by brawling and depending on demigod stats like Thor or Herc. Sure, they're good fighters... but Batman is an excellent one.Natural talent, insane skill, fair share of experience -- his experience matters, because 99.9% of the time he has no enhancements of any kind and often has to face superhuman enemies -- being trained by top tier MAs like Richard Dragon and Shiva (if we're talking about pre-nu Batman, that is).
This was actually said in a comic by Wolverine about Daredevil.
Originally posted by Stoictrue. But he'd see Clark telegraphing his punches and have a more than ample amount of time to block or counter attack. Let's be honest here, Thor holds back a lot less than most super heroes. With batman's level of h2h knowledge, he'd only be more brutal than ever. Imagine him breaking clark's arm, nose, and kneecap all while Clark is still drawing up that first punch.
Too close to call for me. If this was Batman with Thor's physical stats and abilities, I'd give him a decent majority, but it's Thor's mind set with Batman's fighting skills. There is a difference. Would Thor dodge like Bruce would, etc? Probably not.
Their stats are already close enough to be a competitive fight; with their speed equalized, Thor's far superior pain tolerance, his warrior mindset, and batman's knowledge of the body and how to exploit all of its weaknesses, superman shouldn't be able to take even one win.
Originally posted by deathslash
true. But he'd see Clark telegraphing his punches and have a more than ample amount of time to block or counter attack. Let's be honest here, Thor holds back a lot less than most super heroes. With batman's level of h2h knowledge, he'd only be more brutal than ever. Imagine him breaking clark's arm, nose, and kneecap all while Clark is still drawing up that first punch.Their stats are already close enough to be a competitive fight; with their speed equalized, Thor's far superior pain tolerance, his warrior mindset, and batman's knowledge of the body and how to exploit all of its weaknesses, superman shouldn't be able to take even one win.
The only reason that I can see to go against your argument is that Superman without super stats has beaten a seasoned MA. This calls into question, just how skilled is Superman on his own? This is why I said that it was too close for me to call.
Originally posted by Stoic
The only reason that I can see to go against your argument is that Superman without super stats has beaten a seasoned MA. This calls into question, just how skilled is Superman on his own? This is why I said that it was too close for me to call.
Less skilled than Bruce, to be sure.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
well according to some people if we never seen Thor use Batman level h2h it us an auto lose for Thor
He is being given a specific skillset from another character, so we wouldn't have to see Thor do anything.
Though one problem I do have with characters like Thor is people think being old automatically equates to some awesome fighting skill. So Thor is a warrior and thousands of years old and thus should be super skilled. Which no, being alive for a long time in itself isn't an actual feat, it means nothing. You get the skills you show.
But I digress, in this situation any skills Batman has shown Thor now has. Which means he isn't just a skilled h2h combatant, but he exudes an aura that automatically makes everyone nearby less intelligent and less powerful then they'd normally be. With Batman's skill and his jobber aura..if Superman gets close to Thor then he'll just be reduced to the skill of a paraplegic 12 yr. old girl.
Ha just kidding, Superman can break reality by punching, skill is irrelevant against him.
Originally posted by Stoicand did this seasoned martial artist have the level of skill that batman has displayed? Or the downright retarded level of pain tolerance that Thor shows on an average basis?
The only reason that I can see to go against your argument is that Superman without super stats has beaten a seasoned MA. This calls into question, just how skilled is Superman on his own? This is why I said that it was too close for me to call.