Originally posted by abhilegendperhaps because Thor has insane durability feats while weakened. Like the time he fought exitar immediately after getting one of his arms burned to a crisp after fighting one of the apocalypse twins.
In both instances Superman was greatly weakened and still killed someone above top tier in moments. Why wouldn't he be able to replicate that?Tell that to Kobra, Wraith and Orion and Wonder Woman.
Orion is one of the most skilled characters in Herald category and is actually the God of War. When he died in Final Crisis, characters actually forgot how to fight.
He has never stomped Superman like you're saying.
Yeah, that's why he beat the shit out of Wraith who was several times stronger than him and outboxed Xa-Du who was as strong as him.
Oh wait...
When did he ever fight kobra in the new 52. Scratch that, where was it shown that kobra still has the level of skill that he had in pre52? Beating someone stronger than you is now a sign of incredible h2h skill? Was it even shown that wraith had any skill to speak of? For all we know, he was worse in h2h than clark. Diana has a history of being displayed as superman's superior in close combat (at least with the new 52). Hell, a holding back Diana still managed to stalemate an all out and physically enhanced version of clark.
Face facts buddy, pre52 supes at least had the occasional showing in which he'd straight up wreck someone with his skills (like that fight with ultraman), but current superman isn't depicted as being even close to that sort of level. Didn't Zod (who shouldn't be stronger) casually own him, treat him like a jobber, break his arm, and then bargain with Diana for clark's safety? That's pretty much how this fight is gonna go and you know it.
Originally posted by deathslash
perhaps because Thor has insane durability feats while weakened. Like the time he fought exitar immediately after getting one of his arms burned to a crisp after fighting one of the apocalypse twins.
Just that? Superman fought after getting his heart split in half.
When did he ever fight kobra in the new 52. Scratch that, where was it shown that kobra still has the level of skill that he had in pre52? Beating someone stronger than you is now a sign of incredible h2h skill?
Yes, beating someone who is stronger, faster and overall more powerful while having your bones broken shows incredible skill.
Was it even shown that wraith had any skill to speak of? For all we know, he was worse in h2h than clark.
He beat Diana's ass and was a trained soldier and Black ops agent.
So yeah.
Diana has a history of being displayed as superman's superior in close combat (at least with the new 52).
That's rubbish.
Hell, a holding back Diana still managed to stalemate an all out and physically enhanced version of clark.
If by stalemated you mean getting tossed around and throwing a rope over him, sure. Otherwise he simply slapped him aside while holding back. [qyote]
Face facts buddy, pre52 supes at least had the occasional showing in which he'd straight up wreck someone with his skills (like that fight with ultraman), but current superman isn't depicted as being even close to that sort of level. [/quote]
I suggest reading some comics.
Didn't Zod (who shouldn't be stronger) casually own him, treat him like a jobber, break his arm, and then bargain with Diana for clark's safety? That's pretty much how this fight is gonna go and you know it.
You mean when Zod and Faora had tag teamed Superman and he was already injured.
Fast forward a few months and Superman actually ripped apart Doomsday with his bare hands. That's how it goes.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.So Superman has insane skill, skill enough to beat people faster, stronger, and more powerful than him.
Whose skills does Thor now possess? The kinda skill that enable said person to beat people WAY faster, stronger, and more powerful than him?