Don't mention the law, even though we're discussing our justice system and if Superman could be charged? Odd to not discuss the legal aspects and precedents for murder, when we're talking about Murder. Which as we know, is a crime decided by the law/Justice System. That is EXACTLY what one should be discussing.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah true and if someone bombs a hospital there's usually an enquiry (although even then anyone rarely goes down for it surprisingly).My point is it's very rare for someone to go down for collateral damage in a war zone, and that's when they're invading another country. Superman wasn't even invading anyone.
Also we know from his character he wasn't purposefully or trying to kill anyone (or getting them killed by his selfish immoral actions). He was actually attempting to save people. How many modern day wars can say that's honestly their sole motivation?
I don't think anyone argued that Kal purposely killed humans, I used the word "negligent" in regards to him taking Zod from a sparsely populated area(the farm), using Zod to smash through some structures and then throwing Zod into a gas station in downtown Smallville. Kal moved the battle to an area more densely populated, sure it was due to him being angry at the moment, but I don't think that counts as a valid legal excuse.
I then added that someone else dying due to your negligent behavior could possible get you manslaughter charges.
It's like they think people are claiming Kal is a murdered and goes around killing innocent people. No, it's the opposite really. However, that doesn't mean his actions couldn't have resulted in a murder charge of some kind. I could have. Though it's funny to think of them prosecuting Superman and actually trying to jail him lol
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's like they think people are claiming Kal is a murdered and goes around killing innocent people. No, it's the opposite really. However, that doesn't mean his actions couldn't have resulted in a murder charge of some kind. I could have. Though it's funny to think of them prosecuting Superman and actually trying to jail him lol
Actually you made the claim, many times more then just this
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
They've all murdered people.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That was murder. If he had the power to torque and move Zod's neck against his will, enough to snap his neck. He could've moved his head to change the direction of the HV and then try and come up with a non lethal alternative. Clearly they can be KO'd with enough force. Or possibly choked unconscious. Point is, he didn't have to do so, but did. Period end of story. Not my problem you have an issue accepting these facts.
Again T.I. nobody is claiming Superman is a murderER. I've said he murdered people. There's is a difference in terminology and application. One implies he could have gotten charged with murder i.e. he's murdered people. The other implies he's a murderer and this is what he does. Not the same thing at all. Look man, just because you didn't know manslaughter is considered murder isn't my problem. Superman could've been charged with murder, period end of story. No amount of not liking that fact, can change that it could have occurred.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
They've all murdered people.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That was murder. If he had the power to torque and move Zod's neck against his will, enough to snap his neck. He could've moved his head to change the direction of the HV and then try and come up with a non lethal alternative. Clearly they can be KO'd with enough force. Or possibly choked unconscious. Point is, he didn't have to do so, but did. Period end of story. Not my problem you have an issue accepting these facts.
you went through all this and ended up being wrong and you back tracked again.
Just like you do in every thread that you "win"
Not what I said, I said exactly that. I said he murdered people. If you rape somebody, and you're not charged, did you not still rape somebody? Being charged or not, means absolutely nothing. People get away with crimes all the time and aren't charged. The fact of the matter is, he could've been charged with murder from people being murdered. Even as collateral damage and not intentional, it's still murder. Yes, it's harsh to coin it that, and usually that is reserved for people who are actually trying to commit murder. However, that doesn't change the fact that, by the letter of the law, I was correct.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
They've all murdered people.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not what I said, I said exactly that. I said he murdered people.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's like they think people are claiming Kal is a murdered and goes around killing innocent people.
Flip flop
The letter of the law wont save you.
You claimed he was a murderer, he isn't
try legalzoom.com
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think anyone argued that Kal purposely killed humans, I used the word "negligent" in regards to him taking Zod from a sparsely populated area(the farm), using Zod to smash through some structures and then throwing Zod into a gas station in downtown Smallville. Kal moved the battle to an area more densely populated, sure it was due to him being angry at the moment, but I don't think that counts as a valid legal excuse.I then added that someone else dying due to your negligent behavior could possible get you manslaughter charges.
Yeah possibly. But I just doubt it given the kind of stuff the military gets away with when invading other countries. But on the other hand they do go crazy every time an "American" life is lost. So there probably would be people trying to make the case.
That said, given the result and given his intentions I think there would be mass complaints and hate towards Supes (as was depicted on BvS) but I just really doubt he'd go down for manslaghter and/or murder charges, especially given that he was assisting the military.
To be fair, Kal isn't an american. He was an alien entity (aka. invader) who decided to use American soil as a battleground. Many will ask the question on if he was in another country, would the fight have happened in a different country instead and could the American deaths have been avoided? Heck, the world wasn't at war with Krypton til they came looking for him (at least that's how many will see it). Many will see him as the reason why the Kryptons came to Earth in the first place. Can ppl file a wrongful death? Can they accuse him of war crimes?
Eh. Not a lawyer and too lazy to reasearch all this.
^ Well that sounds like the kind of propaganda a lot of people would try to make against him. And yes people can blame him "for bringing the war to us" like Batman would say.
But fact is he wasn't an Invader. He was an illegal immigrant. He lived on Earth all his life and there were no wars because of him. I.e. it was the other Kryptonians who started the war, not him.
He even gave himself over to the military at first, so they could hand him to the Kryptonians, to protect humanity.
And he was fighting to protect people. And he did save the planet. Sure you could argue he should have fought in a different country so anyone other than Americans would die, but that's a bit of an Assy Fox news type argument.
Fact is the Kryptonians were going to terraform the Earth wiping out the entire human race and Superman had to stop them, or everyone would be dead.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I already accepted your concession. You lost. It's okay.
Just because you are retarded and now resort to acting like a buffoon, does not mean you won. You can't even back your claims and then you tried changing it to "he could be charged with murder" which guess what? That never happened either, leave the forum and don't come back, you are a disgrace.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Well that sounds like the kind of propaganda a lot of people would try to make against him. And yes people can blame him "for bringing the war to us" like Batman would say.But fact is he wasn't an Invader. He was an illegal immigrant. He lived on Earth all his life and there were no wars because of him. I.e. it was the other Kryptonians who started the war, not him.
He even gave himself over to the military at first, so they could hand him to the Kryptonians, to protect humanity.
And he was fighting to protect people. And he did save the planet. Sure you could argue he should have fought in a different country so anyone other than Americans would die, but that's a bit of an Assy Fox news type argument.
Fact is the Kryptonians were going to terraform the Earth wiping out the entire human race and Superman had to stop them, or everyone would be dead.
The whole point is, and it's without question. he could've caught a few murder chargers for his actions. Plain and simple. Doesn't mean it's right or wrong. The debate is, could his actions warrant a murder charge according to the law, the answer is, Yes
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Just because you are retarded and now resort to acting like a buffoon, does not mean you won. You can't even back your claims and then you tried changing it to "he could be charged with murder" which guess what? That never happened either, leave the forum and don't come back, you are a disgrace.
I already accepted your concession. You had no idea Supes could be considered a murderer by the letter of the law. That is without question he could've. Read a little more, and then come back to me when you educate yourself.