If Superman's Strength is 100

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Dude it's not manslaughter because he was protecting the Earth. It was "collateral damage".

Civil War pointed out the Avengers are guilt of the same thing. But it's actually easier for them because they're a team so can coordinate who fights the bad guy and who helps civilians.

Incorrect. People have been charged with manslaughter for trying to save someone life via CPR. They tried to enact good Samaritan laws in some states but not all. You're not right about how the law works. If see somebody murder 500000 people and you case after them in your car... and you kill somebody... murder. Even though you were trying to protect others and bring him to justice. Even if you don't hit somebody and the person fleeing does cause he sees you following him. There are documented cases of the person following charged with murder as he led to the guy speeding up and getting away. Officers have been charged and sued for innocent people being shot as they exchanged fire with a murderer. I don't think you understand how the law works bud. If you are in anyway negligent and people die, you're charged. Even if you were trying to protect others.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You provided an opinion on a bias view of the movie. I'm still asking for screen feats or images showing and backing your claim.

You know the movie. Superman bringing the fight to smallville means he would've been charged. You need a screenshot of that? Please. Superman continuing the fight in metropolis would be considered murder, as he could've moved the fight elsewhere. Breaking Zod's neck could've been as well. Maybe not, it's tricky, but it's possible. You don't need screenshots for these T.I. you know they happened, I know they happened.

So now you back pedaling. And you still have not provided any evidence to your claim of murder.
Your first claim was murder and you had no proof. Then you changed it to man slaughter and that didn't work.

So where is your proof Cap or Clark murdered anyone?

Huh? He didn't break a professional code of war conduct or something. He never signed on to the army. But the army needed him nonetheless.

I really don't think anyone would charge him with anything except they might blame him for the Kryptonians coming in the first place.

I mean the U.S. threw a frigging Nuclear Bomb on Japan to stop a war. Not once, but twice. So they're obviously not going to charge Superman for saving the Earth but leaving some collateral damage over 1 city. Especially not when the military were there and desperately needed his help.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Dad and Tornado came to mind for me haha.

IMO, Papa Kent's death wasn't caused by Kal's negligence. Papa wanted to die and Kal in a manner assisted a suicide.

Not sure if assisted suicide is legal in Kansas though. So Kal could be guilty of that.

Edit: It's illegal in Kansas, damn, Kal can't catch a break today

Originally posted by Robtard
IMO, Papa Kent's death wasn't caused by Kal's negligence. Papa wanted to die and Kal in a manner assisted a suicide.

Not sure if assisted suicide is legal in Kansas though. So Kal could be guilty of that.

Edit: It's illegal in Kansas, damn, Kal can't catch a break today

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Huh? He didn't break a professional code of war conduct or something. He never signed on to the army. But the army needed him nonetheless.

I really don't think anyone would charge him with anything except they might blame him for the Kryptonians coming in the first place.

I mean the U.S. threw a frigging Nuclear Bomb on Japan to stop a war. Not once, but twice. So they're obviously not going to charge Superman for saving the Earth but leaving some collateral damage over 1 city. Especially not when the military were there and desperately needed his help.

The bias haters don't get it. I doubt they even know what the military is or history of war.

Even Rob who has always championed Superman has resorterd to trolling to solve personal vendettas like a real man.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial

Even Rob who has always championed Superman has resorterd to trolling to solve personal vendettas like a real man.

Are you not well today or is this still butthurt from yesterday? I outright told KT that Zod's necksnap and Cap's actions in WWII were not outright murder

What would you guys do if the next Marvel Movie showed vision to be as strong as superman?

Make threads such as (hulk is stronger than superman)?
Kurse would own superman (!)?
Thor would own superman (!) ?

and such as?

makes me think marvel would own DC if such happened

hulk or kurse would be able to solo zod and company by way of strength alone

so should we keep vision lower than superman by way of matter? ( if he really is to begin with) otherwise hulk solos dcu

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So now you back pedaling. And you still have not provided any evidence to your claim of murder.
Your first claim was murder and you had no proof. Then you changed it to man slaughter and that didn't work.

So where is your proof Cap or Clark murdered anyone?

Dude, where is the comprehension failure happening here? I not even saying that to be mean, I'm genuinely confused what you aren't getting. YOU said he didn't murder anybody. To which I responded that this was false. I cited the Zod incident which he might have been charged with Murder, but it's tricky. However, the smallville instances and metropolis incident he would've been charged with murder. You not understanding that manslaughter IS THIRD DEGREE MURDER. Emphasis on the Murder isn't my problem. It's in the title of the damn crime. There hasn't been any instance of me changing my stance. I said he murdered people, you said he didn't. I showed instances where he could've and would've been charged with 3rd degree MURDER. You continuing to not understand that 3rd degree murder is still murder isn't my problem man, it's yours.

Originally posted by Robtard
IMO, Papa Kent's death wasn't caused by Kal's negligence. Papa wanted to die and Kal in a manner assisted a suicide.

Not sure if assisted suicide is legal in Kansas though. So Kal could be guilty of that.

Edit: It's illegal in Kansas, damn, Kal can't catch a break today

That was honestly the worst part of the movie. It made zero logical sense. So his dad would lecture him night and day about not revealing himself, that earth wasn't ready for it. Yet he still goes on to save people after people. After the bus incident, they remark, this isn't the first time Clark has done something like this. Clearly indicating it happened before. Yet, when it comes to his dad, then and only then, would he not save somebody as to not revealing himself. That defies logic and common sense. My least favorite part of the movie by far.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Huh? He didn't break a professional code of war conduct or something. He never signed on to the army. But the army needed him nonetheless.

I really don't think anyone would charge him with anything except they might blame him for the Kryptonians coming in the first place.

I mean the U.S. threw a frigging Nuclear Bomb on Japan to stop a war. Not once, but twice. So they're obviously not going to charge Superman for saving the Earth but leaving some collateral damage over 1 city. Especially not when the military were there and desperately needed his help.

Huh I gave you concrete instances of people being charged while trying to do good. It happens all the time. You realize this right?

Originally posted by Robtard
Are you not well today or is this still butthurt from yesterday? I outright told KT that Zod's necksnap and Cap's actions in WWII were not outright murder

he's a little testy today bud. You know T.I. if you go against one of this guys or disagree with him... he thinks it's a personal attack. You did say those instances weren't murder. Though the Zod incident is debatable. But I do get your point. I thought the post was concise and fair. All you basically said was, he might be charged with negligent manslaughter. Nothing more. You really got to lighten up man and stop being so defensive. People have opposing views, they express them, doesn't mean they are settling a vendetta

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Huh I gave you concrete instances of people being charged while trying to do good. It happens all the time. You realize this right?

Yeah but how often does the military get charged for manslaughter when they're invading another country? Do you know how many civilians die every time we go to war?

Superman wasn't even invading. He was defending the Earth. And the military was supporting him.

Also why are you complaining about MOS but avoiding the topic of the Avenger's conflicts being confirmed in Civil War to have also resulted in plenty of civilian deaths. And like I already pointed out, they're an experienced team who can delegate and coordinate with each other.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You should know better than to get into a debate with me T.I. But I do like how you think you've proved yourself right, when in fact, you were wrong once again.

So you started it with boasting about your eprowness. and now you are lying and you still have not poved your point and have ran from your origional claim, that they were murders.

Previously you said

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
They've all murdered people.

Then you claiming manslaughter. Then were proven wrong about this.

Which is all of coarse after

"You should know better than to get into a debate with me T.I."

Like are you some perfected genius of Man of Steel and Captain America?

No you are not, and you should know better then to get into a debate with me about these movies.

Now you are claiming about me being "testy" when you beat your chest about how you thought you were superior to me by challenging you, about a argument you lost.

What are you going to say now?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah but how often does the military get charged for manslaughter when they're invading another country? Do you know how many civilians die every time we go to war?

Superman wasn't even invading. He was defending the Earth. And the military was supporting him.

Also why are you complaining about MOS but avoiding the topic of the Avenger's conflicts being confirmed in Civil War to have also resulted in plenty of civilian deaths. And like I already pointed out, they're an experienced team who can delegate and coordinate with each other.

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He missed the part where the col said "this man is not our enemy." Then went on to help him stop Zod and the world engine.

He's now deflecting cause he has a hard on for Hulk and doesn't want to talk about how many people Hulk has actually murdered in cold blood.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah but how often does the military get charged for manslaughter when they're invading another country? Do you know how many civilians die every time we go to war?

Superman wasn't even invading. He was defending the Earth. And the military was supporting him.

Also why are you complaint about MOS but avoiding the topic of the Avenger's conflicts being confirmed in Civil War to have also resulted in plenty of civilian deaths. And like I already pointed out, they're an experienced team who can delegate and coordinate with each other.

First off, I don't know why you keep belaboring the military point, it's a non issue. The smallville incident proves so. At that point he wasn't jointly working for the military as he was later. In fact, they turned him over to Zod. So no, he doesn't get a "military" pass for that. Further, even later, he never took a military pledge, nor was he assigned any rank. In order to receive protection from the military, you actually have to take oaths and be a part of its ranks. He did no such thing. They merely partnered together to achieve a goal. No different than other countries adding us in a war, doesn't mean they are subject to our justice system nor protected by our military justice system. You have to be a part of the system to receive protection from the system bud.

Even with military protection people are subject to court martialing. Happens all the time for crimes committed during war. They can even be punished for war crimes committed in other countries. This whole notion that military can kill whoever they want under the guise of a war or mission is completely false.

Being under military command and during a war doesn't give anyone carte blanche to blanket any and all kills as "collateral damage". There's a reason why we have the term "war crimes".