❌ That's not what your burden is, sweetie. You don't just need to establish a distinction - you need to explain why that is where you draw the line, and nowhere else. Yes, clarifying material* is a lesser strain than creating new ones - but that doesn't change the fact that all of your arguments against the latter still apply to the former, and it seems mighty convenient of you to just happen to say that the line where the publisher's credibility is sufficient is right after it's convenient for you. This is the same concept that you weren't able to grasp in the "is Palpatine a universe buster?" thread for some weird reason.
* seeing as how Plagueis himself claimed that he was the strongest sith ever in the novel, the publisher isn't even creating new content - it's just clarifying that Plaguies was right.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
❌ That's not what your burden is, sweetie. You don't just need to establish a distinction - you need to explain why that is where you draw the line, and nowhere else. Yes, clarifying material* is a lesser strain than creating new ones - but that doesn't change the fact that all of your arguments against the latter still apply to the former, and it seems mighty convenient of you to just happen to say that the line where the publisher's credibility is sufficient is right after it's convenient for you. This is the same concept that you weren't able to grasp in the "is Palpatine a universe buster?" thread for some weird reason.* seeing as how Plagueis himself claimed that he was the strongest sith ever in the novel, the publisher isn't even creating new content - it's just clarifying that Plaguies was right.
You're just bitching about how I personally see things to mask your hilarious defeat here when you said that they were clearly also considering SWTOR but turned out to be wrong.
BTW, I just did a quick Ctrl+F on my .txt of the novel with the term "most powerful" and no results for Darth Plagueis thinking about himself like that came up.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Why? You already openly embraced blurbs as legitimate, so you should have no trouble then believing the tweet as per your shitty arguments.
LMFAO. You completely messed up the logic, and it's hilarious. Beni was pointing out a double standard in your line of argument. I'm saying that your own criteria contradicts what you're doing here, not that I agree with said criteria. Pointing out contradictions in someone's argument doesn't require that you agree with what you're contradicting them with, lol. It just means that you have to either:
1. Discredit this quote and uphold the Plagueis > Vitiate one.
2. [Try to] discredit the Plagueis > Vitiate one and concede to this one.
3. Actually explain your double standard.
You're backtracking pretty profusely tbh.
You're just bitching about how I personally see things to mask your hilarious defeat here when you said that they were clearly also considering SWTOR but turned out to be wrong.
Wow, you like, completely and utterly dropped actually explaining the double standard. I'm just bolding and huge-sizing this so that people can better notice it. Everyone already has, tbh.
BTW, I just did a quick Ctrl+F on my .txt of the novel with the term "most powerful" and no results for Darth Plagueis thinking about himself like that came up.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So you openly embrace you lost the Bane quote war
OK, so given your suspicious retreat from explaining your double standard, or actually responding to any of my argumentation beyond just making snappy one liners, I'll take that as a concession of your previous "publisher statements don't matter" position.
In that case, yes, I absolutely do. Because I get a far better deal; you concede that Plagueis > Vitiate, and I get to keep Sidious > Vitiate and shit on Bane. Congrats. 👆
Spoiler:
By the way, discrediting a quote that you yourself championed until you realized its implications doesn't count as a "victory" for you, lmao.
Thanks for your reciprocal concession that Plagueis > Vitiate.
You literally just conceded your entire life mission so that you could defeat the mighty Darth Bane, lawl.
Spoiler:
For your future growth as a burgeoning debater, when somebody presents a series of arguments, responding with a one-liner usually isn't a really substantive reply.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Thanks for your reciprocal concession that Plagueis > Vitiate.Spoiler:
For your future growth as a burgeoning debater, when somebody presents a series of arguments, responding with a one-liner usually isn't a really substantive reply.
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When publishers clarify a quote, they're presumably first asking the author for clarification (in this case in particular, DeAgostiniUK appears to be both the writers and the publishers), or at the least know the answer to the question. They're not creating anything new or original. In the case of Darth Plagueis vs Vitiate, the random guy in marketing is establishing Darth Plagueis as the most powerful Sith Lord in history with no connection or clarification of the author's work, thus why I don't take it seriously.
That's how I see things, at least.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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lol, well nice job literally ignoring the question for a page. 👆
When publishers clarify a quote, they're presumably first asking the author for clarification (in this case in particular, DeAgostiniUK appears to be both the writers and the publishers), or at the least know the answer to the question. They're not creating anything new or original. In the case of Darth Plagueis vs Vitiate, the random guy in marketing is establishing Darth Plagueis as the most powerful Sith Lord in history with no connection or clarification of the author's work.
Justify your assumption that the Twitter page handler consults the author in answering a random tweet, but the publisher doesn't consult the author in writing the back blurb that is one of the first things everyone who buys or even looks at the book will see.
Or do you think the author and publisher sit around and decide to only communicate with the Twitter question, because that constitutes a "clarification" rather than an "addition"? Rather than, you know, the comparative importance of the black blurb of a hardcover and a random twitter reply?
Wait a second - by your own argument, wouldn't the fact that an addition is a greater leap in the literature than a clarification make it more likely that the author would be consulted?
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Because, like I already stated, Karpyshyn seemed to make it pretty obvious he had no connection with the blurbs?
That doesn't answer the question, which was:
a) which was more consulted, not whether the blurbs were. They could have both been random statements.
b) not related to the particular relationship of Karpyshyn and his publisher.
The twitter page wouldn't have answered if they couldn't have clarified, unless you think they're bluffing?
So were they bluffing with the blurb? What's the difference? In both cases their goal is to, as you put it, sell copies, either by having a catchy summary or by bolstering the fandom. You haven't explained how either is different in the authority that it carries.
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I still find it interesting that you think publishers don't possess any sort of creative license over the Star Wars universe. Where did you get that impression? Some weird, indecipherable metric of how much "thought" they put into it? Some weird babble about how they do things for money, whereas authors and Lucas obviously don't? They have licensing from Lucas/Disney, and the novel was still vetted by the same approval mechanism. And if Luceno really objected to the blurb, he could've easily said something, kek.
For one, I'm assuming Karpyshyn's relationship with the publisher is the same as other authors.
I doubt they would do things differently depending on the author.
If that isn't the case, Karpyshyn is all we have to go off anyway, so we should use it for reference until further notice.
Given the blurbs featured absolutely no consulting, it's obvious that the Twitter one featured more, otherwise, like I said, they couldn't have made the claim.
The blurbs didn't require connections and understanding with the author to write it. The twitter response did, otherwise they wouldn't have known if the authors considered SWTOR or not.
The two quotes are different (one is creating an independent quote, the other is clarifying a pre-existing quote), and thus due to the inherit distinction between the two, I consider one and not the other.
If they wielded the same nature, you and Beni would have a point. But they don't.