Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He has TP, he doesn't have the ability to kill Superman with it, can you comprehend that, yea you are stupid as hell, Hungarian.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
LOOOOOOLAt everyone saying Apoc had TP!!!
What a bunch of ****ing loonie retards!!
ITS LIKE THE MOVIE JUST CAME OUT AND THEY ALREADY LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nice job dumbshit...
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
This isn't a TP fight, and Apoc cant make superman kill himself with TP.
Err... Thats not how that works. If Apoc got into Superman's head, he could shut his mind down entirely. Xavier feared this outcome of overusing Cerebro in the earlier X-films.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
iEdited.
Thanks.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Apoc still relys on human bodies, that means, brains, heart, all that stuff.
Yeah... Superman has all these organs as well. Transmutation can literally turn all of these into sand and dust and ash.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
If he removes his head, he is not healing and growing a new head.
If I wanted to be pedantic, I could say Apoc's armor could regrow his head via transmutation and matter manipulation, but lets not go there. Instead, I am going to posit you a thesis. If you say Superman goes for the near lightspeed head removal, then #1: how is he getting through Apoc's shield. #2: Why won't TP freeze Superman, or kill him? #3: How is he preventing himself from being powderised at the first step?
I'm not going to say Apoc definitely wins here, I'm just trying to get everyone to get their points on the table is all... It's become a habit in these debates that people tend to only go for the 1 hit iwinbutton arguments, and... to be honest, thats just boring.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Err... Thats not how that works. If Apoc got into Superman's head, he could shut his mind down entirely. Xavier feared this outcome of overusing Cerebro in the earlier X-films.Thanks.
Yeah... Superman has all these organs as well. Transmutation can literally turn all of these into sand and dust and ash.
If I wanted to be pedantic, I could say Apoc's armor could regrow his head via transmutation and matter manipulation, but lets not go there. Instead, I am going to posit you a thesis. If you say Superman goes for the near lightspeed head removal, then #1: how is he getting through Apoc's shield. #2: Why won't TP freeze Superman, or kill him? #3: How is he preventing himself from being powderised at the first step?
I'm not going to say Apoc definitely wins here, I'm just trying to get everyone to get their points on the table is all... It's become a habit in these debates that people tend to only go for the 1 hit iwinbutton arguments, and... to be honest, thats just boring.
How would he regrow his head? And how would his armor re grow his head? Where is the slightest evidence on this?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
How would he regrow his head? And how would his armor re grow his head? Where is the slightest evidence on this?
Like I said, it's pedantic, and I wouldn't bring that up as an actual point. But IIRC, his armor is of alien origin. It's also a life support system and a means of protecting Apoc from some pretty severe stuff.
http://xmenmovies.wikia.com/wiki/Apocalypse
Powers.
Apocalypse's Armor - Apocalypse's mighty armor enhances his physical abilities to immense superhuman levels, making him seemingly unstoppable while wearing it.
Superhuman Strength - Apocalypse has immense superhuman strength, making him one of the physically strongest mutants (on par with Juggernaut and Colossus), able to effortlessly beat an immobilized Quicksilver to the ground (breaking his leg with a single kick) and easily strangle and lift Mystique above his head.
Superhuman Durability - Apocalypse is incredibly durable (further contributed to by his mighty armor), thus able to withstand several supersonic punches and kicks from Quicksilver and a blast from Phoenix. However, once Magneto and Jean Grey dismantled his armor, Apocalypse was pierced by the tremendous torrent of high-speed metal projectiles of Magneto, and incinerated by the flames of Phoenix.
Regenerative Healing Factor - After he transferred his life essence into a new Mutant's body, who had instantaneous healing, he gained a rapid healing factor. He demonstrated this power, when Mystique (disguised as Psylocke) slit his throat or when Storm burned him with lightning. In both cases, he recovered immediately and his wounds healed instantly. Even with his Armor ripped off, he was still healing from disintegration caused by the Phoenix. However, when Phoenix was at full power, he started completely disintegrating.
Adaptive Reflexes - Apocalypse is able to enhance his reflexes to superhuman levels, as when he did in his brief battle with the supersonically fast Quicksilver, to see through the latter's movements and react to them, though this ability took several seconds to activate.
Essence Transference Ritual - Apocalypse is able to transfer his life essence into a younger body after his previous one grows old (though he requires an ancient Egyptian altar for this ritual), thereby starting another life. He also gains the powers of the new body whilst keeping all his previously-collected powers. This massive collection of powers have caused him to appear to be a seemingly omnipotent being. He intended to thus inhabit the body of Professor X through this same ritual (which is what causes the professor to lose his hair), but Nightcrawler interrupts it just in time.
Longevity - Apocalypse is able to live for millennia, being the first mutant of all, having been worshiped as Elohim, Shem, Ra, Krishna, Yahweh and others by several ancient civilizations during his many lives, transferring his life essence into a younger body after his previous one grows old. However, Apocalypse is still capable of being killed, seen when Phoenix incinerated his body after Magneto dismantled Apocalypse's mighty armor and pierced him with a torrent of metal projectiles. However, he has survived in the same body for centuries, possibly due to his enhanced healing.
Host Power Absorption - Every time Apocalypse's essence enters a new host body (which takes the appearance of sapphire-blue gaseous energy), not only retains all of his previous abilities, but also gains the abilities of his host, which he assimilates into his life essence. Thus, Apocalypse intended to absorb Professor X's telepathic abilities into himself this way, which would have amplified his telepathic abilities to Godly levels.
Advanced Telekinesis - Apocalypse has such potent telekinetic abilities, which borders on Matter Manipulation. Apocalypse can levitate objects with his mind, which allowed him to pull fine stone particles from walls (instantly killing many men with them), levitate cars and other large objects, and to even telekinetically construct multiple massive Egyptian pyramids. He was able to manipulate matter (even the matter of his own body) on a molecular level, which allows him to greatly expand his physical size, though it is unknown whether this is an effect of mental manipulation only, as he is only seen doing this while battling Professor X in the astral plane. Apocalypse also utilized this power to fuse his opponents within walls or the ground (thus managing to immobilize both Cyclops and Quicksilver), and making Caliban's gun disintegrate.
Matter Disintegration - Apocalypse has the ability to disintegrate objects into dust, as seen when he effortlessly destroyed Caliban's gun, an entire city and the wall of a building, Professor X was hiding in.
Matter Transmutation - Apocalypse is able to transmutate matter into anything he wants, as seen when he created the shackles binding Professor X to his altar, the armors of his Horsemen of Apocalypse, new metallic wings for Archangel, a new helmet for Magneto, and even a massive new pyramid out of the disintegrated Cairo.
Ground Liquification - Apocalypse could liquefy the ground in the Polish factory, what caused the factory workers to fall in a matter of seconds through the ground, where they were permanently trapped.
Telepathy - Apocalypse has the power to look into (thus instantly learning the names and characteristics of his allies and opponents) and dominate the minds of others, forcing them to do his bidding. This allowed him to make Magneto, Storm, Psylocke, and Archangel into his new incarnation of the four Horsemen of Apocalypse. His power is so great, that even Professor X (himself an extremely powerful telepath) is susceptible and displayed signs of great awe and fear of Apocalypse's power, claiming to have never felt anything like it before. Furthermore he was the only one, who could feel the telepathic presence of Professor X (while his powers where augmented by Cerebro), instantly connect with Cerebro and force the nations to destroy all nuclear weapons. Like the professor, Apocalypse can also cause people to instantly fall asleep and collapse, as well as make an entire room of people fall asleep, while leaving some select others unaffected. In fact, while engaging in a mental battle with Professor X on the astral plane, Apocalypse proved stronger, as he gained the upper hand relatively quickly, beating the professor's astral projection to the ground (leaving him bloodied and weak), and the fight only became evenly matched when Apocalypse was faced with the combined telepathic efforts of Professor X and Phoenix.
Knowledge Absorption - Apocalypse is able to learn vast amounts of information inhumanly quickly, as after awakening from his long slumber, he was able to look into the news and extract data, gaining an understanding of the modern world, and learning to speak fluently in modern English, all in a matter of seconds.
Mental Shielding - Apocalypse was able to shield the minds of his four Horsemen of Apocalypse from the telepathic power of Professor X, furthermore completly blocked the professors powers.
Shielding - Apocalypse can generate an extremely durable yellow-hued energy shield around himself, thus able to withstand the combined attacks of Storm's lightning, Cyclops's optical blasts, and Magneto's tremendous torrent of high-speed metal projectiles.
Teleportation - Apocalypse is able to teleport over tremendous distances at will, generating an immense sphere of violet light around himself in the process. He was thus able to instantly transport himself and his four Horsemen from Cairo to the X-Mansion and back.
Horsemen Power Bestowal - Apocalypse can bestow others with mutant abilities, such as the four he chooses to be his Horsemen of Apocalypse.
Mutant Power Augmentation - Apocalypse can enhance the mutant abilities of his four Horsemen of Apocalypse even further, thus making Psylocke capable of generating more powerful energy projections, granting Archangel metal wings (far more formidable than his previous living ones), increasing Storm's electrokinesis generation and granting her an early onset of flight (also turning her hair white in the process), and making Magneto capable of manipulating Earth's magnetic poles (to devastating effects). Apocalypse also once amplified Professor X's telepathy (much like how Cerebro usually does), making Charles able to deliver a telepathic message from Apocalypse to all the people of Earth.
Abilities
Genius Intellect - Apocalypse is extremely intelligent (on par with Professor X and Magneto), due to him having lived many lifetimes, as well as him having the ability to absorb vast amounts of knowledge at inhuman rates.
Excellent Strategist - Apocalypse is an excellent strategist, tactician, and leader, having successfully taken advantage of Cerebro, quickly ridding Earth of nuclear weapons, and leading his four Horsemen of Apocalypse against the X-Men, and he would have most likely ultimately been victorious against them, had Magneto and Storm not unexpectedly turned against him, and with Jean Grey unexpectedly tapping into the Phoenix, all at the last moment.
Master Manipulator - Apocalypse, as the first mutant, is an expert at bending others to his will through both his persuasive words and charisma, with him notably swaying Storm, Psylocke, Archangel, and Magneto to his cause, making them his four Horsemen of Apocalypse, and it should be noted that only Magneto and Storm would later turn against him, and only after a great deal of persuasion.
Multilingual - Apocalypse is fluent in his native Ancient Egyptian, as well as English (after absorbing a vast amount of knowledge of the modern world).
Weaknesses
Armor Removal - Apocalypse's main weakness is the absence of his mighty armor, since when it is removed, Apocalypse's his true, frail body is exposed, leaving him far more vulnerable to physical attacks, despite his healing factor. Hence, an exposed Apocalypse is pierced by Magneto's metal projectiles, and incinerated by Phoenix's flames, thus finally getting killed.
Arrogance - Apocalypse's other main weakness is his overconfidence in his abilities, which makes him see himself as a God. Hence, Professor X was able to exploit this when he told Jean Grey to "unleash her power", making Apocalypse arrogantly walk towards her, and being caught off-guard with the sheer magnitude of Phoenix's power. The professor even claimed that Apocalypse can never win because his arrogance indices him to stand alone against the X-Men, even after both Magneto and Storm have turned against him and the 2 remaining Horsemen of Apocalypse.
Weakened Aging Body - After Apocalypse spends a massive amount of time in a single body, it becomes weaker, requiring him to transfer his essence in the Egyptian ritual, so as to avoid succumbing to old age.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Like I said, it's pedantic, and I wouldn't bring that up as an actual point. But IIRC, his armor is of alien origin. It's also a life support system and a means of protecting Apoc from some pretty severe stuff.
Nothing in he movie says about his armor being from aliens.
How is he regrowing his head when his brain is dead, much like esco's?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Nothing in he movie says about his armor being from aliens.How is he regrowing his head when his brain is dead, much like esco's?
I'm not saying he could. Like I said, its pedantacism and should be discarded.
But at that same toke, Kal has to get from point A, to point B first.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Getting from point a to point be at light speed was never a problem for himHe caught lois falling from a building in Metropolis while he was half was around the world in the artic.
Thats not going to help Kal when Apoc has adaptive reaction times that can react to another Lightspeeder in Quicksiver. Not to mention his shield. TP allows Apoc to anticipate Kal's movement, that combined with his instant transmutation...
I dunno man... Clark hasn't faced anyone with this specific powerset before. I would say he'd beat the ever loving tar out of comic or toon Apoc, but this one is very different...
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Mos hits a million times harder then QS/
It's not just about pure brute power of if he can't breach the shields and other powers.
Remember, it took some serious hax to get through Apoc, several high powered mutants going full ball physically, and mentally, including the Phoenix Force, which is absolutely crazy. Kal probably could punch of Apoc's head, but he has to get through Apoc's powers first.