Apocalypse vs. Superman

Started by Darkstorm Zero7 pages
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
How do you know he can't break through?

Because we've never seen Superman break an energy shield before. I don't know if he can or not, but the way Apoc's shield works, I wouldn't try it on a whim.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He waltzed through a gravity beam like it was nothing while extremely weakened.

I am going to regret doing this, because it was one of Quan's arguments against Superman in the past, but... We don't know the explicit damage output of the beam. We don't actually know what the beam's energy would directly do to a human being. The only thing we know about it for certain is that it was gradually increasing the Earth's gravitational pull.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Where was Apoc shown to have much damage output while having his shields up?

While he was psychically beating the crap out of Xavier, he was simultaneously disintegrating everything Magneto threw at him, Blocking Storm's lightning bolts, Scott's beams, and repulsed a physical attack from beast instantly, then, while Mags, Scott and Storm kept up their attack, he fused Beast into a wall without so much as a gesture. It was only when Jean psionically, then physically smashed him did Apoc ever have trouble.

We never seen Apoc make knite or control an alien either yet people are making those claims, including you.

The shield was blocking Mags attack, storms and cyclops, where was his damage output while shielded?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bs. Apoc is vastly overrated.

Says the most unobjective guy on the forum...

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Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We never seen Apoc make knite or control an alien either yet people are making those claims, including you.

The shield was blocking Mags attack, where was his damage output while shielded.

I never made that claim. I hypothesised, but it doesn't really matter. Don't take things too literally dude. I'm trying to have a good debate, not a horrible argument...

Disintegrating everything Mags threw at him basically, besides the beast tansmute while he was shielding, and beating the stuffing out of an Astral Xavier.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
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I just saw it; nothing short of Jean embracing the full Phoenix Force is beating Apoc...

Massive no limits fallacy applied here.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I never made that claim. I hypothesised, but it doesn't really matter. Don't take things too literally dude. I'm trying to have a good debate, not a horrible argument...

Disintegrating everything Mags threw at him basically, besides the beast tansmute while he was shielding, and beating the stuffing out of an Astral Xavier.

The shield was Disintegrating everything. There was no damage output.

We are having a good debate. I agree.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Massive no limits fallacy applied here.

> post sets a hard limit on Apoc's power (Phoenix)
> Immemorial claims it's a no-limits fallacy

kek

Originally posted by KingD19
You say almost lost his head. But he literally let her cut him, looked at her like she was stupid, and healed in 2 seconds. That was because he let her hit him. He has forcefields I don't see Clark getting through. Telepathy and mind control Clark doesn't have defenses against. And matter manipulation Clark can't fight.

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Time-Immemorial is very biased and is intentionally exaggerating what Mystique accomplished against Apocalypse...

She accomplished nothing...

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
The shield was Disintegrating everything. There was no damage output.

We are having a good debate. I agree.

Then I dunno what you mean by damage output. I mean, it's a defensive technique which was incredibly hard to crack.

Hehehwell, this is the way I try to have all debates. It's better this way.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
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Time-Immemorial is very biased and is intentionally exaggerating what Mystique accomplished against Apocalypse...

She accomplished nothing...

Being cut deep in the neck from a regular sword exaggerating?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
> post sets a hard limit on Apoc's power (Phoenix)
> Immemorial claims it's a no-limits fallacy

kek

Time-Immemorial isnt KMC's most logical poster as you correctly have pointed out...

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
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I just saw it; nothing short of Jean embracing the full Phoenix Force is beating Apoc...

You applied a no limits fallacy to Apoc. Quit being a cheerleader.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You applied a no limits fallacy to Apoc. Quit being a cheerleader.

No I didn't and you'd tealize it if you wasn't so biased...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
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I just saw it; nothing short of Jean embracing the full Phoenix Force is beating Apoc...

"nothing short of Jean can beat apoc"

How am I biased, I really liked the movie, I thought it was possibly one of the best superhero movies of all time.

Well... Techically speaking... Phoenix in the movies does indeed have limitations, especially when compared to her comic counterpart...

Superman needs a team to win this.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman needs a team to win this.

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Apoc can do so much all at once its insane...

Apoc can battle in the Astral Plane and Physical world at the same...he's insane.

It was a great feat no doubt, and I loved this movie, prolly more so then MoS, but he was battling people who pale in comparison with the raw strength, speed out right power of Superman.

Um...Magneto has demonstrated way more power than Superman on a global scale and QS is faster yet Apocalypse did just fine against those two.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Um...Magneto has demonstrated way more power than Superman on a global scale and QS is faster yet Apocalypse did just fine against those two.

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Also remember that Apoc was taking on a Magneto that demonstrated power on global scale and being fired upon by Scott WHILE battling Xavier on the Astral Plane...

Apoc is beyond anything we've seen save the full Phoenix Force so far...