Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'm not seeing any evidence he was using it as fuel sorry.Instead as I've previously described, given that the life force of billions of people does not in reality net galaxy busting powers, and given that there would be no reason for these deaths to be simultaneous if he were only draining them, it should be obvious that the purpose was instead to trigger a disturbance in the Force he could harness.
So yeah, Ziost is irrelevant. And suggesting that Valk could gobble up the galaxy whenever he wanted is kekworthy nonsense.
The conversation began with me asking:Will we ever learn why Vitiate/Valkorion didn't use the Eternal Fleet to trigger the galactic devouring ritual? Or was the ritual always a ruse?
You can view the twitter exchanges here, but as it's a little hard to follow there, I've summarized below:
Hall replied:
[The galactic devouring Dark Ritual] was not a ruse. The Eternal Fleet was scouring Wild Space to fuel the ritual. Core Worlds like Corellia were already destroying themselves.
[The Hero of Tython] ruined the ritual. Valkorion had a change of heart when he saw how Zakuul prospered in his absence (unlike the Sith Empire).
I then asked:
So does that mean the ritual needs two components: FUEL (trillions of deaths over time) and CATALYST (billions of deaths all at once)? And the Hero of Tython foiled the latter?
Hall replied:
The ritual wasn't that complex. Valkorion was simply working multiple fuel angles at once. The Hero of Tython disrupted the entire ritual and forced the Emperor to halt the Eternal Fleet rampage, at which point he had to re-evaluate his plans.
I asked:
The Hero of Tython disrupted the ritual by killing the Voice of the Emperor in the Dark Temple? What did Valkorion mean when he said, "Ziost changed everything"?
Hall replied:
Lemme tell ya, of all the whoppers you've been told by Valkorion and his agents, the one about the [Hero of Tython] only killing the Voice is the biggest. The Emperor was all but destroyed by the Hero of Tython on Dromund Kaas. That's why he needed to be "reborn" by consuming all life on Ziost. Bringing himself back from the brink is what changed Vitiate's thinking from "destroy everything" to "force order on the galaxy."
It was clearly fuel for the ritual dear, sorry to burst your bubble.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Could you get me the quote where it says Vitiate only needed a few million deaths to activate the ritual?
As you can see above, he was working multiple fuel angles at once, the actual destruction he would have caused on Corellia was at most a few million, given it would have just been a few skyscrapers getting dusted.
Are you this dense? He said the ritual wasn't that complex and that he was simply working multiple angles. Meaning he was simply going for multiple sources at once instead of relying on one. If you play the actual Act III you'd know that after foiling all the other attempts, Tol Braga was capable of completing the ritual by himself by firing on Corellian skyscrapers.
As Supreme Commander of Jedi forces on Corellia, Master Satele wants you to rally the Republic troops to hold off the Imperial invaders and find Master Tol Braga before he can complete the Emperor’s ritual to destroy the galaxy.
1.I didn't ask him anything, this is from a Twitter exchange posted on Reddit.
2.What part of 'multiple angles' are you not understanding right now? He never actually says the Eternal Fleet ever actually found something to devastate in Wild Space and none of the Zakuulians ever mention anything of the sort. As is stated, he had to stop the Eternal Fleet and change his plans because they'd all just gone to shit.
3.Yes, because he's actively pouring his own power into the Dark Ritual, yet he needed an act of devastation to complete it.
Originally posted by AncientPower
1.I didn't ask him anything, this is from a Twitter exchange posted on Reddit.2.What part of 'multiple angles' are you not understanding right now? He never actually says the Eternal Fleet ever actually found something to devastate in Wild Space and none of the Zakuulians ever mention anything of the sort. As is stated, he had to stop the Eternal Fleet and change his plans because they'd all just gone to shit.
3.Yes, because he's actively pouring his own power into the Dark Ritual, yet he needed an act of devastation to complete it.
1. Cool story bro.
2. "The Eternal Fleet was scouring Wild Space to fuel the ritual."
scour: administer a strong purgative to.
3. He's pouring his power into it, having his fleet scour planets in Wild Space and destroying populations to power it. I don't have the quote but I believe there's also a source stating he's using the Darkside energy generated in the war between the Sith and the Republic to fuel the ritual.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Far lesser magnitude? The force is a universe-encompassing field of life energy, how could the life forms of a single galaxy possibly be of far greater magnitude? They're all literally part of it.
There are MASSIVE contradictions regarding just how much of the universe the Force encompasses. Nonetheless, the galaxy is explicitly stated to have been on the recieving end here, so either way, the Force was only effected locally.
Oh and yes, reducing billions of stars to black husks is probably more impressive than changing the alignment of the Force.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
1. Cool story bro.2. "The Eternal Fleet was scouring Wild Space to fuel the ritual."
scour: administer a strong purgative to.
3. He's pouring his power into it, having his fleet scour planets in Wild Space and destroying populations. I don't have the quote but I believe there's also a source stating he's using the Darkside energy generated in the war between the Sith and the Republic to fuel the ritual.
Yes and in not a single moment throughout KOTFE or KOTET is a massive act of destruction ever even referenced. Given the Eternal Empire spans said space, maybe you're starting to get the picture.
All of his attempts were thwarted by the Outlander. His fleet stopped mid way through attempting and I've never even heard of such a statement before you started claiming it.
If you have an argument I'm not even remotely seeing one. Having Darth Sidious aiding you is so far above the fuel of millions of deaths that this comparison stops dead right there.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Are there? Do elaborate.And what exactly does it mean for stars to burn black, anyhow? More cinematic filters?
The entire Vong war series contradicts it.
Both Scourge and Surik reference such devastation and the Outlander has a vision of the destruction in question with Revan's return.