Quicksilver vs Loki

Originally posted by Newjak
like I said at the very end he seemed to be struggling to keep past the explosion even jumping out the window at the end.

Also do you think someone with half the speed of light wouldn't appear super slow to someone with light speed speed

You don't base a character's top performable action on his lowest "feat". You base it on his best "feat". And he wasn't struggling. At all. He had time to mess around, relax, get a drink of water, eat pizza and not even take it seriously.

I'd be lucky if I can run at 1/3 the speed of Usain Bolt, but I doubt I'm moving in slo mo to him.

And it's not only just how things "look" to you, it's what you can do in comparison to the thing you're perceiving. If you can run 20 feet before something crosses 1 foot, you are 20x faster than it. Look at the distance QS covered and the distance the explosion covered. There is no ifs and buts here. He is easily 20-30 times as fast as the explosion on a LOW estimate. Hundreds (high hundreds) of times if we are being literal.

Look at the "feat", he ran cyclops out far outside the mansion came back for Moira and Mystique and brought them to the same place even before the explosion got close. He was zipping across and taking students out as the floor was uber slowly expanding from the explosion to our perception and he was still moving way faster than we can see him. Seriously.

Come on, man.

Jack has no clue what you are talking about and in straight denial about QS.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Literally you have no clue what you are talking about and in straight denial about QS.

Hey hey! quote him man! 😛 ppl might think you're talking to me.

Re look🙂

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Re look🙂

I didn't see the Jack part. 😛

Retracted.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You don't base a character's top performable action on his lowest "feat". You base it on his best "feat". And he wasn't struggling. At all. He had time to mess around, relax, get a drink of water, eat pizza and not even take it seriously.

I'd be lucky if I can run at 1/3 the speed of Usain Bolt, but I doubt I'm moving in slo mo to him.

And it's not only just how things "look" to you, it's what you can do in comparison to the thing you're perceiving. If you can run 20 feet before something crosses 1 foot, you are 20x faster than it. Look at the distance QS covered and the distance the explosion covered. There is no ifs and buts here. He is easily 20-30 times as fast as the explosion on a LOW estimate. Hundreds (high hundreds) of times if we are being literal.

Look at the "feat", he ran cyclops out far outside the mansion came back for Moira and Mystique and brought them to the same place even before the explosion got close. He was zipping across and taking students out as the floor was uber slowly expanding from the explosion to our perception and he was still moving way faster than we can see him. Seriously.

Come on, man.

Also it isn't his lowest feat considering it was part of his greatest feat. You can't just cherry pick everything you like but dismiss what don't want. It was a great feat but it also showed his limitations.

It didn't show any limitations now you just talking out your ass. It was a monster feat and you are low balling and ignoring feats cause of major Thor bias wank.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It didn't show any limitations now you just talking out your ass. It was a monster feat and you are low balling and ignoring feats cause of major Thor bias wank.

Originally posted by Newjak
And if you run 1000 feet in a second but I run 2000 feet in a second I have still covered a much greater distance and am only twice as fast and I would he able to outpace you extremely quickly.

Also it isn't his lowest feat considering it was part of his greatest feat. You can't just cherry pick everything you like but dismiss what don't want. It was a great feat but it also showed his limitations.

Except that it didn't cross 1000 feet or a hundred or even one or two. It crossed less than a few feet when QS crossed hundreds of feet multiple times. I showed you the scene and timestamped it for your convenience. Do the math. This is not an additive difference. It's a multiplicative one. Simple arithmetic here....

If you take the entire act as a whole, sure, it was his "greatest feat". But it was a massive endeavor with many individual actions composing it. You are taking the lowest "part/single act" of the endeavor and trying to lowball the entire "feat" with it. And that doesn't even lowball it successfully as he was STILL moving too fast for us to perceive even when the explosion was expanding in slow mo.

Isn't it a bit silly of you accusing me of cherrypicking when I gave you multiple quantifiable instances that prove my point and you have that one instance (that doesn't even prove anything)?

I mean, where's this denial coming from?

Originally posted by Newjak
Except that was clearly on his last legs towards the end barely keeping up with the explosion even jumping out the window and was clearly gassed afterwards.

Luckily enough for QS, he could go a quarter of that speed and Loki still couldn't tag him.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Except that it didn't cross 1000 feet or a hundred or even one or two. It crossed less than a few feet when QS crossed hundreds of feet multiple times. I showed you the scene and timestamped it for your convenience. Do the math. This is not an additive difference. It's a multiplicative one. Simple arithmetic here....

If you take the entire act as a whole, sure, it was his "greatest feat". But it was a massive endeavor with many individual actions composing it. You are taking the lowest "part/single act" of the endeavor and trying to lowball the entire "feat" with it. And that doesn't even lowball it successfully as he was STILL moving too fast for us to perceive even when the explosion was expanding in slow mo.

Isn't it a bit silly of you accusing me of cherrypicking when I gave you multiple quantifiable instances that prove my point and you have that one instance (that doesn't even prove anything)?

I mean, where's this denial coming from?

Even if you can run 1000 feet a second and I can run 2000 feet per second I will have greatly outpaced you. I would have been able to run an entire circle around you no problem. The point is you don't have to be 20 to 30 times faster to outpace something substantially you can still do so even being only twice as fast

And during those scenes you can see the explosion continually expand. And I'm not downplaying the feat. It was awesome but ignoring the parts that show the limitations for your own gain is cherry picking the feat.

Originally posted by Newjak
1) Dude I think you missed the point of the thousand foot comparison.

2) Even if you can run 1000 feet a second and I can run 2000 feet per second I will have greatly outpaced you. I would have been able to run an entire circle around you no problem. The point is you don't have to be 20 to 30 times faster to outpace something substantially you can still do so even being only twice as fast

3) And during those scenes you can see the explosion continually expand. And I'm not downplaying the feat. It was awesome but ignoring the parts that show the limitations for your own gain is cherry picking the feat.

1) And you seem to be attempting to move the debate into an irrelevant and completely out-of-topic direction to divert from the debate at hand. Perhaps moving the goal posts to distract from your mistaken "twice as fast slo mo perception" theory?

2) And that has no relevance in the debate we are having. At all. Relevant to the topic at hand, this was obviously a multiplicative difference. 1 foot vs dozens to hundreds of feet. Simple math.

3) Quantify these "limitations", don't beat around the bush. It being visually expanding will have no bearing on how fast QS can run if you don't quantify it as he was STILL running faster than we can perceive him (even when we, the audience, was perceiving the explosion moving in uber slow mo).

Originally posted by Newjak
Except that was clearly on his last legs towards the end barely keeping up with the explosion even jumping out the window and was clearly gassed afterwards.

Originally posted by ares834
Luckily enough for QS, he could go a quarter of that speed and Loki still couldn't tag him.

😂

#owned

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) And you seem to be attempting to move the debate into an irrelevant and completely out-of-topic direction to divert from the debate at hand. Perhaps moving the goal posts to distract from your mistaken "twice as fast slo mo perception" theory?

2) And that has no relevance in the debate we are having. At all. Relevant to the topic at hand, this was obviously a multiplicative difference. 1 foot vs dozens to hundreds of feet. Simple math.

3) Quantify these "limitations", don't beat around the bush. It being visually expanding will have no bearing on how fast QS can run if you don't quantify it as he was STILL running faster than we can perceive him (even when we, the audience, was perceiving the explosion moving in uber slow mo).

You dont even know how fast he was going👆

And his first feat in DOFP was clocked over 9000mph to 20,000mph.

The mansion feat was like 100 times larger, if not more so.

Originally posted by Newjak
It's not a distraction it is a statement. You don't have to go 29 or 30 times the speed o greatly out pace something. It expanding does matter because it means QS isn't fast enough for it to be standing still. You pulled the Mach 200 number out of thin air now you're trying to justify it without doing an real math.

An irrelevant statement. With no other purpose but to say it? Sure. Whatever. /shrug

And wow. I didn't pull the number out of thin air at all. Have you not been reading what I posted?

Speed of explosion (Mach 5-9).

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detonation_velocity

Quicksilver moving at least 20-30 feet in an instant (less than a second) before explosion moves a few inches (even carrying Cyke outside the mansion).

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_pmlwQL4pQ

Exactly (1:05). Watch it carefully.

Want me to provide jpeg visual aides or something?

Mach 5-10, explosion moving at less than a foot vs 20-30 feet movement. This gives a reasonable range of moving multiples of way over 20-30x times. Mach 200 was a reasonable extrapolation (w/c I said it was).

Please point out where my number was baseless and "out of thin air".

This is as simple as 1 + 1 = 2 (or, closer to the topic at hand: 5x40=200). If you're not getting it then I'm not sure how much else I can explain this to you.

Nib, read this.

Wow. I mean, I knew Quicksilver was fast, but 9091 m/s (20,000 mph) fast? No, I didn’t think that. But let’s hold on for a second. Maybe I’m wrong. Wrong as in:

I overestimated the length of the guy’s arm for the speed of the bullet. Let’s just say I over estimated the size by 25%. That would make the speed 0.75 times smaller.
What if I over estimated the size of the distance Quicksilver moved during this one stride. I think 1 meter is already too short, but let’s say it was just 0.75 meter.
I guessed a bullet speed of 250 m/s. What if it was just 200 m/s (couldn’t be much slower than that). That would decrease Quicksilver’s speed by another factor of 200/250.
Putting all of these lower end estimates in, his speed would decrease by (0.75*.75*.8 = 0.45). This would make Quicksilver’s speed 4091 m/s (9151 mph). Still fast.

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/whos-faster-flash-or-quicksilver/

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Nib, read this.

Wow. I mean, I knew Quicksilver was fast, but 9091 m/s (20,000 mph) fast? No, I didn’t think that. But let’s hold on for a second. Maybe I’m wrong. Wrong as in:

I overestimated the length of the guy’s arm for the speed of the bullet. Let’s just say I over estimated the size by 25%. That would make the speed 0.75 times smaller.
What if I over estimated the size of the distance Quicksilver moved during this one stride. I think 1 meter is already too short, but let’s say it was just 0.75 meter.
I guessed a bullet speed of 250 m/s. What if it was just 200 m/s (couldn’t be much slower than that). That would decrease Quicksilver’s speed by another factor of 200/250.
Putting all of these lower end estimates in, his speed would decrease by (0.75*.75*.8 = 0.45). This would make Quicksilver’s speed 4091 m/s (9151 mph). Still fast.

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/whos-faster-flash-or-quicksilver/

Yeah, I read that one. The new "feat" is ridic as it seems to be many orders of magnitude over the old one.

Yes, considering the mansion is like 500 times bigger then that small room. And he showed up after the explosion already started, thats why I think he was at minimum 100 times faster but prolly 1000 times faster.

So if we take the average of the two speeds suggested we get about 15,000 mph, and if we multiply that by lets say low numbers 200 times.

Thats 3,000,000 mph.

If we do 15,0000 X 500 we get 7,500,000 mph.

Actually I think it was me who pulled out Mach 200 out of nowhere. But thanks for justifying it Nibs.