Originally posted by jrodslam
They know nothing of what Bobby can do with just basic knowledge. Not only can they not pinpoint his consciousness, but he can make clones of himself to fight AND remain in the air or inside their bodies and wait for the moment to strike. Brain freeze is both viable and probably his quickest attack.
That's such a faulty logic man. So we're to pretend that Bobby knows how the Flashes powers work too?
Originally posted by Galan007
Comic logic is also why these touted "Omega-level Mutants" are rarely ever portrayed as the nigh-omnipotent Gods people like to believe they are. Point: every character has highs and lows. That is just how comics work.Using Flash's rogue gallery as a means to downplay him, however, is laughably faulty.
Flash can calculate infinite possibilities in the space of a single page. He can steal speed/kinetic energy. He can perceive/react on an attosecond-by-attosecond basis. Etc. Etc.
So if we're talking high-end, Bobby would never even get a chance to use any of his abilities here. Flash's speed alone makes Bobby an eternal statue by comparison.
Originally posted by Surtur
I asked why it doesn't bother you when mooks beat up The Flash? Since you despise forum characters, and then you spoke about Flash getting taken out by mooks.
Because i want a goos story. Idc how fast flash can run, idc how strong hulk is...what matters is that there is a compelling plot. If i have a character who is unbeatable then there isnt a story to tell. He's not relatable.
Originally posted by Galan007
Comic logic is also why these touted "Omega-level Mutants" are rarely ever portrayed as the nigh-omnipotent Gods people like to believe they are. Point: every character has highs and lows. That is just how comics work.Using Flash's rogue gallery as a means to downplay him, however, is laughably faulty.
Flash can calculate infinite possibilities in the space of a single page. He can steal speed/kinetic energy. He can perceive/react on an attosecond-by-attosecond basis. Etc. Etc.
So if we're talking high-end, Bobby would never even get a chance to use any of his abilities here. Flash's speed alone makes Bobby an eternal statue by comparison.
problem with this: bobby's consciousness would already be shared with flash in the form of moisture inside flash himself. wally could steal his speed but his consciousness was ALREADY inside flash as soon as they entered whatever field they are on. he's also pulled moisture from people before. flash would destroy his body and likely assume the match was over and bobby would still exist inside him. even if flash kept moving, bobby would be inside flash in the form of moisture anyway, so relatively they would be moving at the same speed.
i don't see anyway flash can win this given that for the sake of this fight, bobby literally exists inside ALL forms of moisture simultaneously. he doesn't need to shift his consciousness to other places--as the scan showed--he's IN those places already.....
Originally posted by Galan007
Flash can calculate infinite possibilities in the space of a single page. He can steal speed/kinetic energy. He can perceive/react on an attosecond-by-attosecond basis. Etc. Etc.So if we're talking high-end, Bobby would never even get a chance to use any of his abilities here. Flash's speed alone makes Bobby an eternal statue by comparison.
He can calculate infinite possibilities, and speed steal, but by looking at the op, they pretty much have basic knowledge of each other. Am i correct there? With that basic knowledge, Flash would assume bobbys projectiles,would work that of a Captain Colds gun or a Mr.Freeze or even a killer Frost. Because Bobby is usually mobile, i cant see the speed steal as a viable option.
ON the other hand we have Bobby with the same general knowledge of Flash. How is he gonna simply freeze someone hed be hard pressed to tag? Bobby is also know to slow/stop/freeze things to the atomic level as well. And if we're talking high end Bobby, his consciousness is withing the air, and he insta-freeze Flash. Theres literally nothing he could do about it no matter how fact his reaction time is. Thats an attack he couldnt see nor feel coming.
Originally posted by hutchy1345
Exactly
The only way iceman can be beaten is if you destroy all moisture on the planet or probably telepathy
And all iceman needs is to be able to process a thought to completely freeze flash and it's over
Hell, even the telepathy part isnt a sure thing. remember, Jean couldnt get a lock on him. He was technically, "everywhere".
Originally posted by leonidas
problem with this: bobby's consciousness would already be shared with flash in the form of moisture inside flash himself. wally could steal his speed but his consciousness was ALREADY inside flash as soon as they entered whatever field they are on. he's also pulled moisture from people before. flash would destroy his body and likely assume the match was over and bobby would still exist inside him. even if flash kept moving, bobby would be inside flash in the form of moisture anyway, so relatively they would be moving at the same speed.i don't see anyway flash can win this given that for the sake of this fight, bobby literally exists inside ALL forms of moisture simultaneously. he doesn't need to shift his consciousness to other places--as the scan showed--he's IN those places already.....
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Originally posted by leonidasAFAIK, Bobby's own consciousness is in control of his own powers. He doesn't get his perceptions sped up to Flash-level simply by virtue of his essence(in a manner of speaking) existing inside Flash as water molecules... Unless you have a scan stating that his perceptions fluctuate in accordance with the specific h2o he embodies at any given time? On that note, is there a scan which states that Bobby actually does embody the water molecules within every living being(the panel you posted on the first page doesn't say this)..? Legit question.
problem with this: bobby's consciousness would already be shared with flash in the form of moisture inside flash himself. wally could steal his speed but his consciousness was ALREADY inside flash as soon as they entered whatever field they are on. he's also pulled moisture from people before. flash would destroy his body and likely assume the match was over and bobby would still exist inside him. even if flash kept moving, bobby would be inside flash in the form of moisture anyway, so relatively they would be moving at the same speed.i don't see anyway flash can win this given that for the sake of this fight, bobby literally exists inside ALL forms of moisture simultaneously. he doesn't need to shift his consciousness to other places--as the scan showed--he's IN those places already.....
Anyway, yes, Bobby may potentially have total control over the water molecules within Flash. However, he still has to consciously 'think' or 'will' in order to realize that power/control. IOW, Flash still operates at Flash-level; Bobby still operates at Bobby-level... Unless he has taken control over the water within a being instantly(in the literal sense) on panel? Then it just becomes more of a quick-draw, I guess. /shrug
Either way, remember that Bobby is contending with a being who has calculated infinite possibilities, instantly... A being who is used to routinely fighting a rogue whose tech can generate temperatures below Absolute Zero... A being who has complete control over every single atom of his body.
Don't think it's clear-cut for Bobby by any means, tbh.
Originally posted by Galan007
AFAIK, Bobby's own consciousness is in control of his own powers. He doesn't get his perceptions sped up to Flash-level simply by virtue of his essence(in a manner of speaking) existing inside Flash as water molecules... Unless you have a scan stating that his perceptions fluctuate in accordance with the specific h2o he embodies at any given time? On that note, is there a scan which states that Bobby actually does embody the water molecules within every living being(the panel you posted on the first page doesn't say this)..? Legit question.Anyway, yes, Bobby may potentially have total control over the water molecules within Flash. However, he still has to consciously 'think' or 'will' in order to realize that power/control. IOW, Flash still operates at Flash-level; Bobby still operates at Bobby-level... Unless he has taken control over the water within a being instantly(in the literal sense) on panel? Then it just becomes more of a quick-draw, I guess. /shrug
Either way, remember that Bobby is contending with a being who has calculated infinite possibilities, instantly... A being who is used to routinely fighting a rogue whose tech can generate temperatures below Absolute Zero... A being who has complete control over every single atom of his body.
Don't think it's clear-cut for Bobby by any means, tbh.
Flash has to destroy the world to win
Which he won't
So he loses
Simple