Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Eh?
Krayt edges him out in the force. Vitiate won't do anything to him before he closes the 20 meter gap, given there's no real disparity between them as force wielders. Once the gap is closed, Krayt is so far and away above Vitiate as a duelist that he won't be able to even try and make it a force contest.
Hence Krayt eviscerates him.
In what way does Krayt edge Vitiate in the force? I'd argue dealing with Revan the way Vitiate did is beyond Krayt's capabilities, and as for accolades, Vitiate was considered the strongest sith ever right after his ritual, which would put him above the likes of Ragnos, Sadow, Hord, Muur, etc. Not even mentioning the 1000 years further to hone, study, and consolidate his power. An Imperial Guard drawing on Vitiate's power tanked a force push from Revan, Revan himself being at least loosely comparable to Krayt in the force, and his FLS instantaneously overwhelmed Revan's staunch defenses.
Not really seeing this as a stomp, like at all.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
In what way does Krayt edge Vitiate in the force? I'd argue dealing with Revan the way Vitiate did is beyond Krayt's capabilities, and as for accolades, Vitiate was considered the strongest sith ever right after his ritual, which would put him above the likes of Ragnos, Sadow, Hord, Muur, etc. Not even mentioning the 1000 years further to hone, study, and consolidate his power. An Imperial Guard drawing on Vitiate's power tanked a force push from Revan, Revan himself being at least loosely comparable to Krayt in the force, and his FLS instantaneously overwhelmed Revan's staunch defenses.Not really seeing this as a stomp, like at all.
You believe that Krayt could not do to Revan what Vitiate did?
Krayt throws around Maul level duelists with ease, and is described as being far stronger in Telekinesis than a Nox/Dooku tier combatant. He mentally communed with every Sith in the galaxy, and commanded every Sith Trooper alive. Simply because he's in an era where few top tier combatants exist, power scaling, his treatment of lesser Force Users, and his fight against Abeloth solidify him as stronger than Vitiate for me.
I agree and have argued in the past that Krayt vs Revan would be a decent fight, even if Krayt wins solidly. However I believe if you place Krayt in Vitiate's shoes, IE give him large amounts of prep time, place him on a massively favourable Nexus and fighting an untested and tired Revan, he'd fare as well if not better.
Originally posted by Selenial
You believe that Krayt could not do to Revan what Vitiate did?
No, not at all. Krayt's lightning isn't instantly overwhelming Revan, (it might not even overwhelm Revan at all,) and he's not TK ragdolling Revan by any means.
Originally posted by Selenial
Krayt throws around Maul level duelists with ease, and is described as being far stronger in Telekinesis than a Nox/Dooku tier combatant.
1. Good thing Revan Reborn is far beyond Cade Skywalker and Darth Nihl.
2. Nox by demonstration and implication is not even close to Revan.
Originally posted by Selenial
He mentally communed with every Sith in the galaxy, and commanded every Sith Trooper alive. Simply because he's in an era where few top tier combatants exist, power scaling, his treatment of lesser Force Users, and his fight against Abeloth solidify him as stronger than Vitiate for me.
Mentally communing with every Sith and commanding every sith trooper alive are both immensely impressive and indicative of power, to be sure, but not exactly what he'll be using in this fight.
Powerscaling probably favors Vitiate, especially if you consider the whole Malak > Exiles powerscaling. Plus the aforementioned Vitiate > Exiles/Ragnos/Sadow right after Nathema powerscaling.
I'd argue Revan's treatment of lesser force users is just as impressive, tbch. Lolkek'ing Nyriss's incredibly potent FLS and beating down of SF Malak are just as impressive as, say, beating down Wyyrlok, choking out Nihl, throwing Cade around, etc.
Originally posted by Selenial
I agree and have argued in the past that Krayt vs Revan would be a decent fight, even if Krayt wins solidly. However I believe if you place Krayt in Vitiate's shoes, IE give him large amounts of prep time, place him on a massively favourable Nexus and fighting an untested and tired Revan, he'd fare as well if not better.
In force only? I'm not sure Krayt would win solidly.
1. Vitiate in no way had large amounts of, "prep time," during his fight against Revan Reborn.
2. Massively favorable nexus? Not sure the effects of the nexus were all that "massive" at all.
3. Eh? This, "untested, tired" Revan was still raping Nyriss as soon as he woke up, and was arguably much more powerful than his previous incarnations due to recovering his mastery over the dark side as well as the light.
Why you gotta be like that with them long ass posts.
Can't do the whole quote, analyse, destroy, thing because I'm on my phone at a train station.
TL;DR: of my argument however would be:
>A charged attack from Krayt would likely do the same as Vitiate's, we see how much charging can change lightning blasts, and Krayt's casual lightning is pretty impressive already.
> Suggesting Cade and Nihl are far below Revan is irrelevant, I'm not saying Krayt can play with Revan the same as them, simply that Revan as of the novel has no feats suggesting he could do it to the same extent. Not to mention even if he's Krayt's equal in TK, Krayt would be in a favourable environment so the gap largens.
> Powerscaling for Krayt is pretty undeniable however, if you do it right. On the other hand, much of the Powerscaling for Vitiate is shaky. Not saying it's unusable, but if you want to go the route of Malak being > The Ancients, then you'd have to accept that Krayt could TK the Satellite feat with utter ease, since he's much stronger than someone who's much stronger than someone who is stronger than the Sith who pulled it off... Either way Krayt's power scaling is better.
> A large amount, in the scale of things, probably not. You're right. He couldn't read up on Revan etc. He could however mentally prepare himself, and build power, similar to how both Xedrix and Nyriss did in the same novel.
> Revan was a balanced force wielder wielding the Light. Vitiate is a dark force wielder in a focal point of the Kaas nexus. Should help a lot with recharging and extending force pools.
> Perhaps, thats not Revan's best feat though so it's not indicative that he was at his best....
Huh, that ended up being longer than expected.
Originally posted by Selenial
>A charged attack from Krayt would likely do the same as Vitiate's, we see how much charging can change lightning blasts, and Krayt's casual lightning is pretty impressive already.
Darth Krayt's casual expressions of Force Lightning being pretty impressive means squat here. Galen Marek's casual expressions of Force Lightning were also formidable but they did squat to Darth Vader, a Force-user more vulnerable to Force Lightning then Revan by a long shot.
Originally posted by Selenial
> Suggesting Cade and Nihl are far below Revan is irrelevant, I'm not saying Krayt can play with Revan the same as them, simply that Revan as of the novel has no feats suggesting he could do it to the same extent. Not to mention even if he's Krayt's equal in TK, Krayt would be in a favourable environment so the gap largens.
Originally posted by Selenial
> Powerscaling for Krayt is pretty undeniable however, if you do it right. On the other hand, much of the Powerscaling for Vitiate is shaky. Not saying it's unusable, but if you want to go the route of Malak being > The Ancients, then you'd have to accept that Krayt could TK the Satellite feat with utter ease, since he's much stronger than someone who's much stronger than someone who is stronger than the Sith who pulled it off... Either way Krayt's power scaling is better.
Vitiate became more powerful in the ways of the Force then every Sith who co-existed with him and/or came before him. The list includes heavyweights such as Tulak Hord, Darth Revan, Darth Nihilus, Marka Ragnos, Karness Muur and Exar Kun.
Karness Muur was implied to be superior to Darth Vader and capable of tackling Darth Krayt. Vitiate should be significantly above him by virtue of power-scaling.
Originally posted by Selenial
> A large amount, in the scale of things, probably not. You're right. He couldn't read up on Revan etc. He could however mentally prepare himself, and build power, similar to how both Xedrix and Nyriss did in the same novel.
Originally posted by Selenial
> Revan was a balanced force wielder wielding the Light. Vitiate is a dark force wielder in a focal point of the Kaas nexus. Should help a lot with recharging and extending force pools.
Originally posted by Selenial
> Perhaps, thats not Revan's best feat though so it's not indicative that he was at his best....Huh, that ended up being longer than expected.
Legend, I was looking for a debate, not listening to you ramble then wasting time replying. Your recent attempts in the cross-universe threads to wank Shitiate leaves me and many others little reason to care what you say.
Tho Skillz if you want to reply feel free.
Edit: lmfao, phone autocorrects Vitiate to Shitiate. What can I say, it gets me.