Darth Krayt vs. Novel Vitiate

Originally posted by Azronger
Um, you are aware that dwarf galaxies are still galaxies? You know, those things that have billions of stars in them and are thousands of lightyears in diameter? If you believe Vitiate is a galaxy buster then bring evidence other than a sketchy vision. Vitiate's best feat is still only planetary.

A vision IS evidence for what would happen, lol. Just say "I don't like TOR", and we'll get it.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Remind me where it said it would take "centuries" of prep? All that was mentioned is it would take a galaxy spanning war.

"The Emperor has manipulated events for centuries towards one goal: performing an even greater ritual that will destroy this galaxy.But the ritual requires a great sacrifice to begin: billions of simultaneous deaths."

-Lord Scourge

Originally posted by Azronger
"The Emperor has manipulated events for centuries towards one goal: performing an even greater ritual that will destroy this galaxy.But the ritual requires a great sacrifice to begin: billions of simultaneous deaths."

-Lord Scourge

You're not much of a reader if you translated that into "it takes centuries of prep for a ritual"! Anyone with a 3rd grade reading level can understand that the "centuries" mentioned is how long it would take for a galaxy spanning war that could result in the death of billions. This doesn't even need a rebuttal.

Of course it would happen if he were given a hundred years of prep. Ant acts as if that feat is combat-applicable.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The vision was him destroying the Rishi Maze, which is significantly different from the galaxy-consuming ritual from the Vanilla.

"Every star went dim, both in that galaxy and our own. The end of everything."

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
You're not much of a reader if you translated that into "it takes centuries of prep for a ritual"! Anyone with a 3rd grade reading level can understand that the "centuries" mentioned is how long it would take for a galaxy spanning war that could result in the death of billions. This doesn't even need a rebuttal.

If he manipulated events for centuries toward that ritual, then yes, it took him centuries of prep.

Originally posted by Azronger
If he manipulated events for centuries toward that ritual, then yes, it took him centuries of prep.

No, it really didn't. That's not "ritual prep", lol. Like I said, no point even responding to such nonsense after this post.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The evidence is the vision. 👆

You're disrupting the debate though.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Without contexts it doesn't actually prove anything, lel.

Context*
It proves that if Vitiate is able to get the ritual off, he'd destroy the galaxy. That was the central theme in TOR. What else do you want it to prove?

Originally posted by Azronger
"The Emperor has manipulated events for centuries towards one goal: performing an even greater ritual that will destroy this galaxy.But the ritual requires a great sacrifice to begin: billions of simultaneous deaths."

-Lord Scourge

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Ant's effort is pretty solid, but I'm extremely unconvinced that novel!Vitiate would definitely take reborn!Krayt. I'm with ILS.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
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Ant's effort is pretty solid, but I'm extremely unconvinced that novel!Vitiate would definitely take reborn!Krayt. I'm with ILS.

You're giving thumbs up to a blatant misinterpretation of a quote you could understand when you were 12? Interesting to see your objectivity 👆

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
You're giving thumbs up to a blatant misinterpretation of a quote you could understand when you were 12? Interesting to see your objectivity 👆

Calm down. He's right: the quote very clearly says that the prepwork for the ritual spanned centuries. It's literally right there in the text, no inference or guesswork involved.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Context*
It proves that if Vitiate is able to get the ritual off, he'd destroy the galaxy. That was the central theme in TOR. What else do you want it to prove?

As it's been pointed out this is not something Vitiate can achieved with his own power alone, he needs colossal sacrifice to harness this level of power.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Calm down. He's right: the quote very clearly says that the prepwork for the ritual spanned centuries. It's literally right there in the text, no inference or guesswork involved.

Oh I'm calm, I'm just amused at how far you've come. The quote very clearly indicates it took centuries of preparation to begin another galaxy spanning war, not that he needed centuries to prep the ritual, just a war that encompasses the entire galaxy and billions of death. So it's not literally there in the text.

Something relevant to the debate? laughing out loud

As it's been pointed out this is not something Vitiate can achieved with his own power alone, he needs colossal sacrifice to harness this level of power.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Oh I'm calm, I'm just amused at how far you've come. The quote very clearly indicates it took centuries of preparation to begin another galaxy spanning war, not that he needed centuries to prep the ritual, just a war that encompasses the entire galaxy and billions of death. So it's not literally there in the text.

The current argument (and distraction from the debate) was the ritual. Of course we know it can't be used in a debate.

The text says he manipulated events for centuries to satisfy one goal: the ritual. The ritual required the deaths. The war precipitates the deaths.

It's prepwork for the ritual, which was the guy's point, which is reflected in the text.

All there. Black and white. Calm down.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
The current argument (and distraction from the debate) was the ritual. Of course we know it can't be used in a debate.

Answer: It should not.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The text says he manipulated events for centuries to satisfy one goal: the ritual. The ritual required the deaths. The war precipitates the deaths.

It's prepwork for the ritual, which was the guy's point, which is reflected in the text.

All there. Black and white. Calm down.

The guy's point is that this kind of ritual takes centuries of prep. Any galaxy spanning war would have fulfilled the necessary conditions of the ritual. Therefore the ritual does not need centuries of prep.

I'm calm, your move 👆

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
The guy's point is that this kind of ritual takes centuries of prep. Any galaxy spanning war would have fulfilled the necessary conditions of the ritual. Therefore the ritual does not need centuries of prep.

I'm calm, your move 👆

The ritual did require the centuries of prepwork... Given the extant circumstances. Had circumstances been different and the stage already been set, probably not. But that has nothing to do with his point. Your response on this particular point is no different than telling me if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

He said the ritual required centuries of prepwork. It did. He's right. 👍

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The ritual did require the centuries of prepwork... Given the extant circumstances. Had circumstances been different and the stage already been set, probably not. But that has nothing to do with his point. Your response on this particular point is no different than telling me if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

He said the ritual required centuries of prepwork. It did. He's right. 👍

The actual "ritual" began right after Vitiate's Voss voice died and was set to take place with the collapse of Corellia, potentially taking a few days/weeks at best.

Don't be daft. You know exactly the difference between a ritual prep (Nathema) and prepping to perform a ritual (this case). I applaud your attempts at reaching here (I wish I shared your dedication towards the PT/OT text), but no. If Vitiate had a standing empire from day 1, he could have performed the ritual from day 1. Therefore, the ritual did not need "centuries" of prep. 👆

Originally posted by Azronger
If he manipulated events for centuries toward that ritual, then yes, it took him centuries of prep.

He succinctly explains himself right here. He never claimed it would take centuries to perform the ritual, just that the ritual itself required centuries of prepwork, which is true.

Calm down.