Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Unless stated otherwise in the OP, the stating distance is 100 yards...So in this case, Magneto has (IMHO) enough time (barely) to raise shields and get himself out of harms way before Hulk eats him alive...
Hmmmm, am just stating next time it would be more prudent to specify! If the battle was to be closed ranged Hulk wins, if not, Magneto. Either way 100 yards isn't that much. Remember Hulk can give pretty long jumps, could reach magneto pretty quick. I still think Hulk has a chance there.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Unless stated otherwise in the OP, the stating distance is 100 yards...So in this case, Magneto has (IMHO) enough time (barely) to raise shields and get himself out of harms way before Hulk eats him alive...
The only time we've ever seen Magneto raise shields, we don't see how long it took to make them. We know he was under no time restraint and was certainly not being attacked while he made them.
So there's really no proof that he can make shields in the time it takes Hulk to cover 100 yards. Heck, there's no proof that he can make shields in the middle of combat.
If they were fighting in a scrapyard then he can probably fling up metal shields from his surrounding but since there was no location specified I'm assuming this takes place in an open arena by default.
Originally posted by FrothByte
What feat does Magneto have of speedily restraining someone of Hulk's strength?
This raises the question of does Magneto get all the feats he has? From both young and old versions? Because the older Magneto was able to make a bunch of police men fire their guns and then he stopped all the bullets before they hit anyone.
That at least shows some speed.
Originally posted by FrothByte
The only time we've ever seen Magneto raise shields, we don't see how long it took to make them. We know he was under no time restraint and was certainly not being attacked while he made them.So there's really no proof that he can make shields in the time it takes Hulk to cover 100 yards. Heck, there's no proof that he can make shields in the middle of combat.
If they were fighting in a scrapyard then he can probably fling up metal shields from his surrounding but since there was no location specified I'm assuming this takes place in an open arena by default.
Why would he not raise his shields in combat? It seems pretty questionable to assume he wouldn't use them if he was being assaulted by someone, the only issue we have is we don't know their upper limit.
Originally posted by carthage
I can't prove a negative, he's never used them in combat because he's never been in a situation where he's used them. Not like Hulk will make it in time, he'll be bludgeoned and killed by tons of metallic rubble and go down like he did to Chitauri lasers
You also can't claim that Magneto can do something which he has never done before. Magneto has been in dozens of fights in the films. Not once has he used shields in any of them. Maybe he can, I just doubt he can put them up fast enough before he gets his head bashed in from 100 yards. maybe if they were a kilometer apart.
It will take Hulk only a second or so to clear 100 yards. Can Magneto throw "tons" of metallic rubble at Hulk in that time span? Do we have feats of him doing so?
Originally posted by FrothByte
You also can't claim that Magneto can do something which he has never done before. Magneto has been in dozens of fights in the films. Not once has he used shields in any of them. Maybe he can, I just doubt he can put them up fast enough before he gets his head bashed in from 100 yards. maybe if they were a kilometer apart.It will take Hulk only a second or so to clear 100 yards. Can Magneto throw "tons" of metallic rubble at Hulk in that time span? Do we have feats of him doing so?
But you were trying to make the claim Vision could phase through Apocalypse's shields? Ok double standard much? That's because he's never attained his shields until this film and was primarily on the offensive against Apocalypse in their fight. Hulk isn't fast enough to kill him as we've seen Eric stop missiles, react to bullets, among other feats to suggest he wouldn't be blitzed.
What speed feats from Hulk suggest he could blitz Magneto before being sidelined by rubble? He wasn't fast enough to dodge omnidirectional lasers in Avengers one, and Magneto chucks rubble with enough force to atomize it. Hulk can't survive that level of force.
Originally posted by carthage
But you were trying to make the claim Vision could phase through Apocalypse's shields? Ok double standard much? That's because he's never attained his shields until this film and was primarily on the offensive against Apocalypse in their fight. Hulk isn't fast enough to kill him as we've seen Eric stop missiles, react to bullets, among other feats to suggest he wouldn't be blitzed.What speed feats from Hulk suggest he could blitz Magneto before being sidelined by rubble? He wasn't fast enough to dodge omnidirectional lasers in Avengers one, and Magneto chucks rubble with enough force to atomize it. Hulk can't survive that level of force.
Not double standards. I'm not claiming that Magneto can't make shields, the same way you're claiming that Vision can't phase through force fields. I'm claiming Magneto doesn't have the speed to make his shield in the middle of a fight, whereas Vision has already had numerous feats utilizing his phasing during fights. See the difference?
Magneto stopped missiles that were launched from miles away. He has stopped bullets that were made out of metal. Hulk isn't made of metal.
Hulk can tank fighter jet rounds. For your theory to work, you'll need to prove that Magneto can launch a strong enough attack to take out Hulk before he gets pummeled in 100 yards.
You also can't keep using the chitauri gunfire as an argument because Magneto doesn't utilize energy projectiles as weapons. He uses metal, so you'll need to use feats where Hulk was injured by metals.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Not double standards. I'm not claiming that Magneto can't make shields, the same way you're claiming that Vision can't phase through force fields. I'm claiming Magneto doesn't have the speed to make his shield in the middle of a fight, whereas Vision has already had numerous feats utilizing his phasing during fights. See the difference?Magneto stopped missiles that were launched from miles away. He has stopped bullets that were made out of metal. Hulk isn't made of metal.
Hulk can tank fighter jet rounds. For your theory to work, you'll need to prove that Magneto can launch a strong enough attack to take out Hulk before he gets pummeled in 100 yards.
You also can't keep using the chitauri gunfire as an argument because Magneto doesn't utilize energy projectiles as weapons. He uses metal, so you'll need to use feats where Hulk was injured by metals.
He has plenty of speed even in his old age he stopped bullets mid flight, and Hulk is still perceptible to normal humans so lets not act like he's some speedster or something. Again rewatch the fight against Apocalypse he's throwing metal with enough force that it literally is reduced to nothing, show me anything Hulk has done to suggest he can survive that when he was almost killed by a fall and lost a tooth to a punch from Iron Man. Clearly he's not as invulnerable or fast as you're trying to make him. You're missing the point entirely, I was noting that its taken far less than what Magneto is capable of to down Hulk.
Originally posted by carthage
He has plenty of speed even in his old age he stopped bullets mid flight, and Hulk is still perceptible to normal humans so lets not act like he's some speedster or something. Again rewatch the fight against Apocalypse he's throwing metal with enough force that it literally is reduced to nothing, show me anything Hulk has done to suggest he can survive that when he was almost killed by a fall and lost a tooth to a punch from Iron Man. Clearly he's not as invulnerable or fast as you're trying to make him. You're missing the point entirely, I was noting that its taken far less than what Magneto is capable of to down Hulk.
Again, bullets are made of metal, Magneto has direct control over them. Hulk is not. You are clearly underestimating Hulk's speed. True, he is not a speedster. But everyone who's been able to keep up with him have been enhanced individuals. Thor, Ironman in HB armor, Abom, etc.
When Natasha was running away from Hulk, she had a headstart, the advantage of being a smaller human running through numerous tight spots, and yet Hulk caught up to her. And I'm pretty sure Magneto's physical feats are nowhere near close to what BW is capable of.
If Hulk losing a tooth is the extent of injuries you can come up with, then should we say that all Magneto is gonna do is loosen Hulk's teeth?
You're going to need to prove that Magneto can hammer Hulk with something strong enough to KO him before he's crossed that 100 yard distance. Because I'm pretty sure all it would take is one hit from Hulk to turn Magneto into paste. On the other hand, Hulk can survive quite a number of Magneto's attacks. He'll need something big to take out Hulk, and I just don't think he'll be able to launch a big attack within that close a distance.