Magneto vs Hulk

Originally posted by Arachnid1
How is this argument still going? Mags can literally open up the ground to consume him.

Mags can also just cover him with bits of metal all over his body and suspend him in mid air long enough to get something big going like dropping a city on him and the likes.

I also have no doubt he can just contain him. Stark had that metal container he put Hulk in before the Veronica fight, and Hulk had to tunnel his way out of it if I remember correctly.

Mags can also just send bits of metal down Banners throat and suffocate him.

He has so many options to kill the Hulk. He himself can just fly up and out of the way. And before you say Hulk will jump to him before he does, he can easily see Hulk coming and mid air and adjust a few feat to either side to dodge. Or just bombard him with metal.

Hulk wont touch Mags.

No one is arguing that Magneto can do those things. Everyone agrees that Magneto has more than enough power to take out Hulk. The argument is whether he can do these things before Hulk covers 100 yards.

You have to remember that Hulk can survive quite a lot of the punishment that Magneto can dish out whereas it will only take 1 hit to take out Magneto.

I think the greatest advantage Hulk has is that the way he fights on screen plays well into exploiting Magneto's powers' vulnerabilities.

He is shown primarily charging full speed in a straight line vs whoever he fights, this would mean Magneto would have seconds before Hulk is upon him. Being nonmetal, Magento cannot stop him directly and would need to use the environment to stop him.

Hulk has barrelled right thru metal obstacles in his way to get to a target before (Avengers when he chased Widow) and has shown to cover great distances in a single forward leap (vs F35 in Avengers).

It's a question of: can Magneto set himself up to be able to use his powers before Hulk gets to him?

Well, the answer is tricky. If Magneto does what he did vs Apoc, he may be able to stop Hulk dead in his tracks. But the argument would be that he already had a lot of metal at his disposal and control at the time 9as he's already pulled a lot of metal from the earth/environment before he did his assault) and he does not have the same set-up time this time around

Personally, I'm not convinced and would like to see "feats" and showings to get a better grasp of how the fight would go.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I think the greatest advantage Hulk has is that the way he fights on screen plays well into exploiting Magneto's powers' vulnerabilities.

He is shown primarily charging full speed in a straight line vs whoever he fights, this would mean Magneto would have seconds before Hulk is upon him. Being nonmetal, Magento cannot stop him directly and would need to use the environment to stop him.

Hulk has barrelled right thru metal objects in his way to get to a target before (Avengers when he chased Widow) and has shown to cover great distances in a single forward leap (vs F35 in Avengers).

It's a question of: can Magneto set himself up to be able to use his powers before Hulk gets to him?

Well, the answer is tricky. If Magneto does what he did vs Apoc, he may be able to stop Hulk dead in his tracks. But the argument would be that he already had a lot of metal at his disposal and control at the time 9as he's already pulled a lot of metal from the earth/environment before he did his assault) and he does not have the same set-up time this time around

Personally, I'm not convinced and would like to see "feats" and showings to get a better grasp of how the fight would go.

I totally agree! The problem given in this scenario is the distance. Hulk is fast enought to reach Magneto before he is able to gather enough metal to depend himself. Cause Hulk would definetly be able to pass through metal in his way. The only way Magneto could stop him is by doing what he did with Apocalypse. But as Nibedicus said, He will need time to gather enough metals to stop the Hulk.

Originally posted by Nibedicus

Hulk has barrelled right thru metal obstacles in his way to get to a target before (Avengers when he chased Widow) and has shown to cover great distances in a single forward leap (vs F35 in Avengers).

1. In this fight the metal debris will be "pushed" forward by Magneto's powers, that is, used as a projectile with a force behind it. Given that Magneto has a power set-up that can affect the globe, it shows how much power he can generate. BTW someone pointed put that he was hurling debirs with the speed that made it evaporate....that's insane force output.

2. That F35 jet stayed in one place when Hulk made the leap. Magneto can just turn to the side. Magneto is also like 100 times smaller than the jet, Hulk will have much, much more difficult time to grap him in mid-air.

Originally posted by Stigma
Just a quick thought, as I am going to sleep soon.

1. In this fight the metal debris will be "pushed" forward by Magneto's powers, that is, used as a projectile with a force behind it. Given that Magneto has a power set-up that can affect the globe, it shows how much power he can generate. BTW someone pointed put that he was hurling debirs with the speed that made it evaporate....that's insane force output.

2. That F35 jet stayed in one place when Hulk made the leap. Magneto can just turn to the side. Magneto is also like 100 times smaller than the jet, Hulk will have much, much more difficult time to grap him in mid-air.

1. The problem is that Magneto will first need to grab the debris before being able to thrown them at Hulk. Question is, how far is the debris from Hulk? Are they fighting in town center Cairo or pyramid desert Cairo? Another thing to consider is that said debris need to be big enough and tough enough to actually hurt Hulk, because Hulk can literally walk through heavy gunfire, Magneto will need something a lot stronger. Magneto was strong enough to affect the earth but he did that through an ELONGATE SPAN OF TIME. In fact, all of his stronger power outputs all needed time to do. He doesn't have that here, he'll need to release an attack strong enough to drop Hulk before he gets pummeled.

2. Huh? You know that even if Hulk misses in his leap, he can just take one or two steps to a side to grab Magneto right? Or are you assuming that Magneto is already flying at this point? Because then we'd have to actually come up with a feat to show how agile Magneto is during flight, since I don't remember him actually making quick movements while in the air.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. The problem is that Magneto will first need to grab the debris before being able to thrown them at Hulk. Question is, how far is the debris from Hulk? Are they fighting in town center Cairo or pyramid desert Cairo? Another thing to consider is that said debris need to be big enough and tough enough to actually hurt Hulk, because Hulk can literally walk through heavy gunfire, Magneto will need something a lot stronger. Magneto was strong enough to affect the earth but he did that through an ELONGATE SPAN OF TIME. In fact, all of his stronger power outputs all needed time to do. He doesn't have that here, he'll need to release an attack strong enough to drop Hulk before he gets pummeled.

2. Huh? You know that even if Hulk misses in his leap, he can just take one or two steps to a side to grab Magneto right? Or are you assuming that Magneto is already flying at this point? Because then we'd have to actually come up with a feat to show how agile Magneto is during flight, since I don't remember him actually making quick movements while in the air.

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My guts tells me that Magneto should be able to launch himself in the air much much faster than he is able to lift bridges and stadiums that weigh thousands of tons. Problem is he has no feats to corroborate this

Originally posted by juggerman
My guts tells me that Magneto should be able to launch himself in the air much much faster than he is able to lift bridges and stadiums that weigh thousands of tons. Problem is he has no feats to corroborate this

As far as I can recall, Magneto never moved fast while in the air or even launching himself in air. I may be wrong but I believe he levitates instead of flies.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I may be wrong but I believe he levitates instead of flies.

What's the difference?

He flew away at the end of DOFP

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What's the difference?

He flew away at the end of DOFP

How fast has he flown? Is it fast enough to dodge around Hulk's jumps?

Originally posted by FrothByte
How fast has he flown? Is it fast enough to dodge around Hulk's jumps?

Nah.. I was just asking what the difference is between levitating and flying.

The fact that Magneto goes high up in the air and travels from A to B via his "levitation" pretty much makes it "flight" for me.

He never moves very quickly in any of the films. Hulk could close 100 yards easily. Unless Magneto has a large amount of metal handy that he doesn't have to take the time to extract Hulk closes on him and take his head off, literally.

The only time I can think of him showing speed is when he keeps up with the train in Days of Future Past to thread the steel into the sentinels, but we still have no indication that he can reach that top speed quickly from any of the films.

^ Yeah standard forum rules Eric will die quite quickly against Hulk.